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Oneplus allegedly kept 7.1.1 firmware in its Oreo OOS open beta update. : oneplu...

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Posted by5 years ago

Oneplus allegedly kept 7.1.1 firmware in its Oreo OOS open beta update.

A couple of Chinese developers found that one plus was still using a branch of 7.1.1HAL/firmware in Oreo OOS update. Users are complaining in the Chinese OP community. Peter Lau retorted: "What exactly is the core of Android 8.0?"

Update: Oneplus disabled Reply function(yes, the reply function) altogether in the Chinese Oneplus community! How about that. The company is seriously FUCKED UP. I'm speechless.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3 (Graphite)

I sense an explanation by OnePlus, followed by an update is incoming.

It's like this company waits for people to find something they can use to shit on them, and then correct it.

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It's like this company waits for people to find something they can use to shit on them, and then correct it say they will correct it but don't.

Fixed.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3 (Graphite)

Because they don't care what they do, and only do something if people find out about it. Such as their data collection. They were fine with it, people found out, and then suddenly OnePlus are serious about data protection and will fix it.

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· 5 yr. agoOneplus 6T (Midnight Black)

Remember their answer about Treble?

"We have our own update methods to make sure the device is up to date".

Yeah, lol, this update method consists of updating as less as possible.

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Nope. The update method consists of getting you to buy the next phone.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 5T (6 GB)

Isn't the BSP (aka, 90% of the HALs and drivers) Qualcomms' responsibility?
Oneplus would only have to redo half of the camera HAL, maybe the fingerprint HAL? 'Treble' support is modular - you can have parts of it compatible with Treble, and other parts in passthrough mode (non-treble).

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 7 Pro (Mirror Gray)

They still do open beta updates for OP3.

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  1. Take nougat firmware and stick Oreo upper layers

  2. Launch Oreo update and claim to be one of the fastest companies to update to Oreo 3.???

  3. Profit

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I'm a big fan of OnePlus hardware running someone else's ROM.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 7T Pro (Haze Blue)

What about the Stable release?

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This is what actually matters.

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There's also the fact that it's bundled with the wrong google play services version.

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· 5 yr. ago

Wow really? Source?

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 7 Pro (Mirror Gray)

Doesn't matter in the slightest, play services update themselves automatically without your knowledge.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 6T (Mirror Black)

Seems pretty clear now that Oneplus really does whatever they think is the "easiest" solutions. They clearly tries to cut corners in areas.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3T (Gunmetal)

he had a "excuse" for not implementing treble, wonder what his next excuse will be

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Yeah I think the 3t is going to be my first and last OnePlus device. Their rep is horrible.

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Same, luckily looks like we are starting to get good Oreo ROMS. OmniROM, DU coming soon, LOS 15 unofficial, AICP coming official soon as well.

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Update: Oneplus disabled Reply function(yes, the reply function) altogether in the Chinese Oneplus community! How about that. "Wanna confront & shame Peter Lau? Here you go, whole community mute! " The company is seriously ℉U℃Ked up. I'm speechless.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3T (Gunmetal)

you can reply now, just tried it

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3T (Gunmetal)

What a scummy thing to do

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3 (Graphite)

You should update the post to reflect this.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus One (Sandstone Black)

Do you have a link to the forum or thread?

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· 5 yr. ago

How do we hold them accountable to properly updating their devices?

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 6 (Mirror Black)

Don't buy their devices

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Sadly the majority of users on the Chinese community chose to trust Peter Lau and one plus did it for the stability concerns and blamed those developers for nitpicking. It is fucked up.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3T (Gunmetal)

that's only the first few pages though, reaction to his response grows more negative as you go further back

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 7 Pro (Nebula Blue)
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I haven't seen anyone in this thread even explain what this is and why it could theoretically matter. PCs that have years old firmware for some parts still run Windows 10 just fine. Why does/doesn't the same apply to phones?

I joined this sub a week ago after buying a phone that's gotten great reviews. I'm coming to the conclusion y'all just want to get bent up over nothing all the time, so you bought a phone you can complain about.

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PCs that have years old firmware for some parts still run Windows 10 just fine.

Androids aren't PCs, here the firmware and drivers go hand-to-hand (and can be used in a sentence almost interchangeably). If you run drivers from previous versions of Windows in W10 then you should already know what that means for stability and even feature support.

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Lack of compatibility with the new api when dealing with the hardware firmware they didn't change

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Can someone explain to me why I should be mad?

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The question I find myself asking over every outrage thread in this subreddit

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Potentially a slippery slope here. What if they stick with many parts of 7.1.1 when 9, 10, ... comes out too (in the name of stability of course).

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You mean the MIUI approach. It works for Xiaomi and they have hundreds of devices to support.

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So wait is 8.0 on say a op5 just 7.1.1 with software that displays 8.0?

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 7 Pro (Nebula Blue)

It's also a Beta. It's weird, but it's not like this is a final release. If it's this way on the final release, then we can bitch and moan like we should!

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3 (Graphite)

It's a Frankenstein basically, bits of the old and new

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· 5 yr. ago

Welp, the more I read the more I want to move to LOS, I've been planning to for a while now too.

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I think we can all agree that the folks at OnePlus consist of absolutely no engineers/developers who know what they're doing. It would explain why updates take forever, and why issues like the lack of decent UI colors and the Alert Slider still remain a POS and now this load of garbage.

You're either 100% Oreo, or you're not Oreo at all.

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lol wtf is this??? quite brazen!

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Honest question. Is this how they are able to offer fantastic hardware at such low prices? By cutting costs on software development.?

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Cutting costs started with OOS 3.5 Beta1. The initial OxygenOS team mostly left the company and the rom was merged with HydrogenOS, developed by their Chinese devs from this point on. That's also when all these weird software changes happened for no reason: derping the slider settings, removal of volumedowntovibrate, pastel accent-colors, UI derivations compared to stock AOSP, you name it.

They said this happened to speed-up the update process and I won't argue as I have no internal knowledge and this would be pure speculation.

This article has some more insight: https://www.androidcentral.com/oneplus-turnover-led-merging-os-development

Long hours and insufficient resources in the run-up to OnePlus 3's launch led to a number of OxygenOS team members striking a deal to terminate their contracts just after the phone's release, according to people who didn't want to be named because they signed non-disclosure agreements. As a result, OnePlus CEO Pete Lau had no choice but to merge the remaining members of OxygenOS, some of whom are only signed on until the end of 2016, and HydrogenOS.

According to these people, despite a 3:1 ratio of OxygenOS users to its Chinese market counterpart, OnePlus was disproportionately pouring resources into HydrogenOS, causing strain between the two teams and leading the subsequent talent purge.

And then there is this:

The company confirmed that OxygenOS and HydrogenOS will remain separate products aimed at distinct markets for the time being, and that the "back end" change is "an important step in the right direction

Well, there is basically no difference between H2OS and OOS other than some Chinese apps and the Google Apps.

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I don't get why this is an issue. So what if they're using old HALs? As long as they contain the latest security patches theres no advantage to using newer ones other than possibly slight performance improvements. Seems like a non-issue to me

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· 5 yr. ago

Y'all want relatively inexpensive phones but Apple-level software support. When a phone costs less something has to give. For OnePlus it's software support. I recognised that before getting my OnePlus 2. Seems a reasonable trade off to me. If you feel otherwise put your money where your pocket is and buy from a company with proven long term support.

Wileyfox are quite impressive for Android software support, but the trade off with them is very much middle ground hardware.

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Just when i thought things are getting better for these people... Man..

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 7 Pro (Nebula Blue)

This is a Beta build people. If stable comes out this way, then we should bitch.

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They were supposed to be the company that launches new devices with the latest version of Android that has been released months ago. "Flagship killer", remember? We can bitch freely today ;)

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3T (Midnight Black)

OnePlus is next EA!

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 3T (Gunmetal)

To me it looks like they just changed version number to 8.0.0 and nothing else is touched.

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· 5 yr. ago

I don't get why people just don't get the phones that Google are selling if they want the freshest updates.

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· 5 yr. agoOnePlus 6 (Midnight Black)

Price difference

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Shhh you're interrupting the circlejerk.

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· 5 yr. ago

Nice excuse for the big mess OnePlus is getting into with their 'updates'.


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