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Anyone else feel like they are forced to upgrade

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Anyone else feel like they are forced to upgrade

ricketysquire

macrumors member

Original poster

Oct 24, 2020
I have a 2017 15" MacBook Pro. I use it as my primary computing device and outside of the crappy keyboard it's been working for me. I've had AppleCare+ on it since getting it in 2018. With Apple dropping MacOS support for previous MacBook Pro models, I feel like this model is next to be dropped come this WWDC. I know Apple typically provides security updates for older MacOS versions for 2 additional years but its an unwritten policy and could change. I hate how Apple isn't upfront about the minimum amount of years they'll provide security updates for their OS releases.

Last thing I want to do is be running insecure software on a computer I use for online banking and bill paying. I got plenty of devices so I don't feel like buying a new one, but I feel like I should go ahead and just upgrade. I don't really need the power that a 14/16" MacBook Pro offers, so a MacBook Air or 13" Pro would be fine. But I feel like the one I have is fine for my needs and would continue to work (outside of the horrible keyboard and the fact I have to get it replaced at least once every year with AppleCare when keys get stuck).

Not sure if anyone else feels this way.

Nbd1790

macrumors 6502
Jan 2, 2017 New York
Unfortunately that whole generation of MBP's were a mess from a design standpoint. If it's working for you, hang onto it until it really doesn't receive updates anymore. It sounds like it wasn't that long ago, but it's now a 6 year old model. Minus the keyboard issues, that's a pretty good run - not to mention that you'll probably be fine with updates until year 7/8.

Given the timeframe, I wouldn't feel like its a forced upgrade. There are few other laptops / devices that will receive updates for as long as yours did / will. As far as the banking / bill paying goes, there's always your phone which is just as easy.

EssentialGadget

macrumors member
Aug 30, 2013
Mac hardware becomes vintage 5 years from the date they are last sold. After 7 years they become obsolete per Apple.

So your 2017 15" is already vintage and will probably go obsolete in 2024/2025.

Apple supports free upgrades to new Mac OS versions when announced and typically supports upgrades to current Apple products. Current Apple products are less than 5 years from date last sold. Sometimes they will slip a vintage into an upgrade.

Apple supports security fixes on the latest 3 Mac OSs. So you will probably be able to get security fixes for your Mac for 8-10 years. You won't get the latest OS version but will still get security updates.

You should be good until 2027 from a security standpoint.

This level of support is the best in the PC industry.
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Wait until you actually need to upgrade, then upgrade, not before.
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ricketysquire

macrumors member

Original poster

Oct 24, 2020
Unfortunately that whole generation of MBP's were a mess from a design standpoint. If it's working for you, hang onto it until it really doesn't receive updates anymore. It sounds like it wasn't that long ago, but it's now a 6 year old model. Minus the keyboard issues, that's a pretty good run - not to mention that you'll probably be fine with updates until year 7/8.

Given the timeframe, I wouldn't feel like its a forced upgrade. There are few other laptops / devices that will receive updates for as long as yours did / will. As far as the banking / bill paying goes, there's always your phone which is just as easy.
Yeah the keyboard is the biggest issue. I didn't mention it in my original post, if I keep using this as my primary machine I'll need to keep paying for AppleCare+ each year which is $139. The keyboard has regular issues like clockwork and I can't afford to keep paying Apple the out of warranty costs for the once a year (if not more) keyboard issues I have.

Boyd01

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Staff member
Feb 21, 2012 6,902 3,716 New Jersey Pine Barrens
it's been working for me.

I know Apple typically provides security updates for older MacOS versions for 2 additional years but its an unwritten policy and could change.

I got plenty of devices so I don't feel like buying a new one, but I feel like I should go ahead and just upgrade.
It's working for you, Apple's policy hasn't changed and you don't feel like buying a new one. So, I don't see why you would feel "forced" to upgrade.

I say: wait until it doesn't work for you, Apple changes their policy or you feel like buying a new one.

coffeemilktea

macrumors regular
Nov 25, 2022
Yeah the keyboard is the biggest issue. I didn't mention it in my original post, if I keep using this as my primary machine I'll need to keep paying for AppleCare+ each year which is $139. The keyboard has regular issues like clockwork and I can't afford to keep paying Apple the out of warranty costs for the once a year (if not more) keyboard issues I have.
If you mostly use this laptop at home, you can probably get away with just using a Bluetooth keyboard all the time; I've been using the same $129 Magic Keyboard since 2018 and it's worked great for me.
Unless you have need for intel apps i.e. Windows, I’d get shot asap, despite apple’s intention so far as security updates go, you know their intention for intel, it’s for the past.

ZircoBen

macrumors regular
Jul 12, 2015 Utah, USA
Mac hardware becomes vintage 5 years from the date they are last sold. After 7 years they become obsolete per Apple.

So your 2017 15" is already vintage and will probably go obsolete in 2024/2025.

Apple supports free upgrades to new Mac OS versions when announced and typically supports upgrades to current Apple products. Current Apple products are less than 5 years from date last sold. Sometimes they will slip a vintage into an upgrade.

Apple supports security fixes on the latest 3 Mac OSs. So you will probably be able to get security fixes for your Mac for 8-10 years. You won't get the latest OS version but will still get security updates.

You should be good until 2027 from a security standpoint.

This level of support is the best in the PC industry.
Is this level of support really the best? Windows 10 support will last until October 14, 2025; and computers built in 2010 can still run Windows 10 comfortably.

Apple is way behind Windows in supporting computers long-term.

dmccloud

macrumors 68020
Sep 7, 2009 2,176 Anchorage, AK
Is this level of support really the best? Windows 10 support will last until October 14, 2025; and computers built in 2010 can still run Windows 10 comfortably.

Apple is way behind Windows in supporting computers long-term.
Poor analogy at play there. While Windows 10 will be supported through 2025, many of those 2010-2015 PCs running the OS are already past the window to get new updates, drivers, etc., simply because the hardware requirements for Windows 10 in 2022-23 are higher than they were when the OS was first released. Additionally, most device manufacturers stop updating device drivers well before OS support ends, so those machines are using outdated drivers and either older builds of Windows 10 or more recent builds but running them noticeably slower due to the hardware inside the machines. Also, as software requirements increase, many of those older PCs are unable to run updated versions of those applications due to the older hardware inside the machines.

Microsoft isn't supporting all the various configurations of PC hardware, just the OS itself. Driver support is left to device manufacturers, so other than generic drivers, Microsoft is largely hands-off on that side of the equation. Apple is supporting both the OS and hardware simultaneously, so hardware is fully supported for longer on the Mac side than the Windows side.

MauiPa

macrumors 68040
Apr 18, 2018 3,292 4,823
No. This sounds like a totally made up issue
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aranhamo76

macrumors newbie
Jul 28, 2020
I have a 2017 15" MacBook Pro. I use it as my primary computing device and outside of the crappy keyboard it's been working for me. I've had AppleCare+ on it since getting it in 2018. With Apple dropping MacOS support for previous MacBook Pro models, I feel like this model is next to be dropped come this WWDC. I know Apple typically provides security updates for older MacOS versions for 2 additional years but its an unwritten policy and could change. I hate how Apple isn't upfront about the minimum amount of years they'll provide security updates for their OS releases.

Last thing I want to do is be running insecure software on a computer I use for online banking and bill paying. I got plenty of devices so I don't feel like buying a new one, but I feel like I should go ahead and just upgrade. I don't really need the power that a 14/16" MacBook Pro offers, so a MacBook Air or 13" Pro would be fine. But I feel like the one I have is fine for my needs and would continue to work (outside of the horrible keyboard and the fact I have to get it replaced at least once every year with AppleCare when keys get stuck).

Not sure if anyone else feels this way.
I used my last MacBook Pro for ten years. I finally got a new one when we had a little money and my wife convinced me I deserved it. I handed down the old one to my oldest son who used it for a couple of years, and he handed it down to my next son who is using it now. The battery has been replaced once.

ZircoBen

macrumors regular
Jul 12, 2015 Utah, USA
Poor analogy at play there. While Windows 10 will be supported through 2025, many of those 2010-2015 PCs running the OS are already past the window to get new updates, drivers, etc., simply because the hardware requirements for Windows 10 in 2022-23 are higher than they were when the OS was first released. Additionally, most device manufacturers stop updating device drivers well before OS support ends, so those machines are using outdated drivers and either older builds of Windows 10 or more recent builds but running them noticeably slower due to the hardware inside the machines. Also, as software requirements increase, many of those older PCs are unable to run updated versions of those applications due to the older hardware inside the machines.

Microsoft isn't supporting all the various configurations of PC hardware, just the OS itself. Driver support is left to device manufacturers, so other than generic drivers, Microsoft is largely hands-off on that side of the equation. Apple is supporting both the OS and hardware simultaneously, so hardware is fully supported for longer on the Mac side than the Windows side.
That is a good point, and well said.

I think the reality is; the PC that I built in 2013 still runs well for all intents and purposes AND still gets security and Windows updates. Sure, many of the drivers haven't been touched in five years, but it still functions flawlessly.

Apple simply shuts out those computers from receiving any sort of support. A 2013 iMac, in comparison, is insecure and has been shut out from updates completely.

ilikewhey

macrumors 68040
May 14, 2014 3,137 4,159 nyc upper east
Yeah the keyboard is the biggest issue. I didn't mention it in my original post, if I keep using this as my primary machine I'll need to keep paying for AppleCare+ each year which is $139. The keyboard has regular issues like clockwork and I can't afford to keep paying Apple the out of warranty costs for the once a year (if not more) keyboard issues I have.
are you outside the us? why is your ac+ so much higher. my 14inch m1max only cost 99 a year.

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