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Apple Chip Supplier Preparing to Begin Production of 2nm Chips as Early as 2025
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Apple Chip Supplier Preparing to Begin Production of 2nm Chips as Early as 2025
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Apple could adopt the 2nm process for its iPhone and Mac chips as early as 2025 as the company's main chip supplier, TSMC, has set in motion a plan to produce that process in the early parts of that year, DigiTimes reports.
All of Apple's latest chips feature the 5nm process, including the A15 Bionic in the iPhone 13 series and the entire M1 Apple silicon line. According to a new DigiTimes report today, TSMC will begin mass production of 3nm chips later this year with 2nm following in 2025 with Apple and Intel being among the first to use the newer technology.
Article Link: Apple Chip Supplier Preparing to Begin Production of 2nm Chips as Early as 2025
A report from last year claimed that the next iPad Pro, expected to be announced later this year, will feature a 3nm process. The current iPad Pro features the M1 chip and the 2022 version is expected to include Apple's all-new "M2" chip. The 3nm process technology features performance improvements of up to 15% while being at least 25% less battery-hungry, according to TSMC.TSMC has set a timetable to move its 2nm GAA process to production in 2025 while commercializing its 3nm FInFET process with improved yield rates in the second half of 2022, with Apple and Intel among the first clients to adopt both nodes, further consolidating its dominance in the advanced foundry sector, according to industry sources.
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staypuftforums
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Skyscraperfan
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How small can they get before random errors from cosmic radiation become a major problem? Also interesting that 2nm only give 15% more performance compared to 3nm. With 2nm you should ne able to more than double the number of transistors that can be addressed in one cycle, which are limited by the speed of light.
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DHagan4755
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Yeah what's next after they can't go any smaller? Surely they must be working on something...How small can they get before random errors from cosmic radiation become a major problem? Also interesting that 2nm only give 15% more performance compared to 3nm. With 2nm you should ne able to more than double the number of transistors that can be addressed in one cycle, which are limited by the speed of light.
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That is if Taiwan isn’t part of China in the next year.
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I think we will be on 2nm for a while. After that maybe 1.5nm by 2030.
Oh the Digitimes, those that said in Spring of this year we will get the M2 Mbp
DigiTimes: Entry-level M2 MacBook Pro slated to launch in early March
Industry sources believe Apple will launch the entry-level M2 MacBook Pro in early Mach, most likely during Apple's rumored event.
9to5mac.com
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Thats why big names think aheadThat is if Taiwan isn’t part of China in the next year.
"The U.S. plant is TSMC's most advanced chip facility outside its home market. The project was announced in May 2020, and construction started last June (2021)"
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Music to my earThe next iPad Pro, expected to be announced later this year, will feature a 3nm process. The current iPad Pro features the M1 chip and the 2022 version is expected to include Apple's all-new "M2" chip. The 3nm process technology features performance improvements of up to 15% while being at least 25% less battery-hungry, according to TSMC.
RedTomato
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At this point ‘3nm’, ‘2nm’ etc are basically arbitrary labels to describe progress in transistor manufacturing processes. They have little to do with actual feature size on the microchips, which can vary widely in a single microchip.How small can they get before random errors from cosmic radiation become a major problem? Also interesting that 2nm only give 15% more performance compared to 3nm. With 2nm you should ne able to more than double the number of transistors that can be addressed in one cycle, which are limited by the speed of light.
Also, process sizes are not comparable between different CPU manufacturers because they also serve as marketing tags for that particular manufacturer’s processes.
Don’t base expectations or calculations on the ‘Xnm’ label.
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RHutch
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May 21, 2003
I don’t believe the article says this. It says, “The 3nm process technology features performance improvements of up to 15% while being at least 25% less battery-hungry, according to TSMC.”Also interesting that 2nm only give 15% more performance compared to 3nm.
I think this means the 3 nm process produces 15% performance improvements over the current 5 nm process.
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T'hain Esh Kelch
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It is still spring, and will be for a while..Oh the Digitimes, those that said in Spring of this year we will get the M2 MbpDigiTimes: Entry-level M2 MacBook Pro slated to launch in early March
Industry sources believe Apple will launch the entry-level M2 MacBook Pro in early Mach, most likely during Apple's rumored event.
9to5mac.com
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tridley68
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All the more reason to start manufacturing in the United StatesThats why big names think ahead
"The U.S. plant is TSMC's most advanced chip facility outside its home market. The project was announced in May 2020, and construction started last June (2021)"
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BootsWalking
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The partnership between Apple and TSMC is responsible for some of the most important innovations in semiconductor technology. It's the perfect match between TSMC's chip semi ingenuity and execution and Apple's processor design prowess and very deep pockets to finance each major process generation. The entire industry is benefiting from the fruits of this partnership.
imamacperson
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Dec 7, 2013
If it ever gets to 0nm we may be in trouble!
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That way of thinking, i.e. (3*3)/(2*2) approximately equalling 2, does not mean you get double the transistor density - that has not been the case for ages now. These days, somewhere in the process they will have managed to reduce one or two dimensions from 3nm to 2nm but the vast majority of other dimensions (and there are hundreds of them) are a lot bigger and many don't even change at all going from node to node. Sure, things are getting better, but nothing like what you're implying. That being said, it is amazing to behold the progress. My first job in IC design (shortly after the dinosaurs perished) was with a 10µm bipolar process!How small can they get before random errors from cosmic radiation become a major problem? Also interesting that 2nm only give 15% more performance compared to 3nm. With 2nm you should ne able to more than double the number of transistors that can be addressed in one cycle, which are limited by the speed of light.
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I think after 1 NM what’s gonna happen is a lot of chip fusion. Think of more M1 Ultra like designs. What likely will need to happen is more apps will need to be better optimized for parallel computing to take advantage.I think we will be on 2nm for a while. After that maybe 1.5nm by 2030.
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terminator-jq
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So the timeline is looking something like this:
2022- A16 (4nm)
2022/2023 - M2 family chips (5np)
2023 - A17 (3nm)
2023/2024 - M3 family chips (4nm)
2025 - A18 (2nm)
2025/2026 - M4 family chips (3nm)
In other words if you own an iPhone 13 and already own an M1 based Mac - wait until the 2023 iPhone and the 2023/2024 Macs for the best bang for your buck upgrade.
2022- A16 (4nm)
2022/2023 - M2 family chips (5np)
2023 - A17 (3nm)
2023/2024 - M3 family chips (4nm)
2025 - A18 (2nm)
2025/2026 - M4 family chips (3nm)
In other words if you own an iPhone 13 and already own an M1 based Mac - wait until the 2023 iPhone and the 2023/2024 Macs for the best bang for your buck upgrade.
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iBluetooth
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Don't worry about that. There are pico-meters after nano-meters, but of course zero is never attainableIf it ever gets to 0nm we may be in trouble!
Or turned to rubble like Ukraine.That is if Taiwan isn’t part of China in the next year.
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We know that the nm in these process names does not refer to the actual distance between items on the chip, though as the numbers get smaller they are no doubt closer together. So I wonder say 10 years from now, what they will call the process. 0.2nm process? 1nm process Titanium Edition? Super wonderful more than you can believe it process?Apple could adopt the 2nm process for its iPhone and Mac chips as early as 2025 as the company's main chip supplier, TSMC, has set in motion a plan to produce that process in the early parts of that year, DigiTimes reports.All of Apple's latest chips feature the 5nm process, including the A15 Bionic in the iPhone 13 series and the entire M1 Apple silicon line. According to a new DigiTimes report today, TSMC will begin mass production of 3nm chips later this year with 2nm following in 2025 with Apple and Intel being among the first to use the newer technology.
A report from last year claimed that the next iPad Pro, expected to be announced later this year, will feature a 3nm process. The current iPad Pro features the M1 chip and the 2022 version is expected to include Apple's all-new "M2" chip. The 3nm process technology features performance improvements of up to 15% while being at least 25% less battery-hungry, according to TSMC.
Article Link: Apple Chip Supplier Preparing to Begin Production of 2nm Chips as Early as 2025
cjboffoli97
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Oct 4, 2005
I expect that means Intel's misdirection with more ads about dongles will be key in 2025.
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mikethemartian
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Maybe a movement back to analog computers that are faster and more power efficient than digital computers. But since they are more prone to noise than digital computers probably a hybrid architecture.Yeah what's next after they can't go any smaller? Surely they must be working on something...
Not Your Father’s Analog Computer
Scientists and engineers may benefit from a long-abandoned approach to computing
spectrum.ieee.org
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vegetassj4
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Oct 16, 2014
Wake me up when they have a Planck Chip
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