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Ask HN: How do you accept your place in the world?

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Ask HN: How do you accept your place in the world?

Ask HN: How do you accept your place in the world? 31 points by aydwi 4 hours ago | hide | past | favorite | 21 comments I've been reading a lot as of late. All sorts of things, but mostly technical posts and papers by a wide variety of programmers and researchers. Especially about the Rust Programming Language.

The more content I discover, the tinier and irrelevant I feel. I go down a rabbit hole of brilliant relevations of one person after the other, and I come out tired and discouraged. People are writing crazy compilers, optimizers, devising mathematical mathematical theorems etc. and finding concerete applications of their work everywhere. For instance, I just discovered the blog of Aleksey Kladov today and the depth and breadth of his work made my jaw drop.

Now, I realize this is rather superficial to talk about. I myself work on low-level systems, writing non-trivial code and trying to solve all sorts of interesting problems. Senior engineers and professors have told me that I'm brilliant. But when I'm alone with myself, I feel like I know that I'm a nobody. I try not to compare myself; but I'm also unable to shrug these feeling off, however indirect.

P.S. Not intended as a humblebrag. I truly need external input at this point. Sorry if this is offensive to some.

Sampling bias.

You're reading articles good enough to come through to you, from millions of people actively trying to get theirs read. There will be millions of great articles that most of us will never even discover.

I think you should spend at bit of time thinking on the scale of the world, the scale of combined human effort, and try to consider the statistical chance that something any individual does will "make it" to the top, even of hacker news..

Now, also consider whether you want to be spending your time becoming someone who contributes in that way instead of the way you currently do. Consider the amount of brilliant people doing work that nobody will ever see.

There's nothing wrong in being a "nobody" in the grand scheme of things, your primary motivation in life has probably not been to have the world know your name, if so, you'd likely have pursued a different career. But the feeling is familiar, I think, to most of us.

My personal fix to this is to think on it, and maybe sometimes make a little side-project, that's guaranteed to not be brilliant or even good, and post it somewhere online, and enjoy the little bit of attention it got.

I also struggle to accept my place in the world, to be honest, I've gotten further in my life than I thought I would, and still, feel disappointed in myself because I've not done anything great, or contributed to or furthered any field in any meaningful way. But I try to keep in mind that, most people aren't and of those who do, orders of magnitude more are trying hard and still fail, and honestly, I don't want it _THAT_ bad, I can conclude that, because when I look at my own efforts to "become somebody", they are fairly low, and so it's no surprise that I'm a nobody, just coding away and generally being content with what I do.

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Those are very helpful insights for me. I'm fairly young and get overwhelmed sometimes -- resulting in a post like this. Thanks a bunch!
Do what you want to do, rather than what you "need" to do, and you won't think about this stuff.

I'm not the world #1 badminton champion. So?

First understand that in a room full of engineers—no matter how many—90% of them will say they are above average.

Second understand that what separates you from these people is they have something to show for what they did. How do you expect people to find your “brilliance” if you don’t show it off somehow? They work for their recognition. People using your “low-level systems” won’t automatically think you’re brilliant because…what? Because it works? Is that the bar?

Write some blog posts. Open source some projects. Give some talks. If you do all that and no one cares, maybe it’s not the rest of the world that has the problem.

You talk about "people", but if you actually count them, how many are they? Hundreds, maybe a couple of thousands at best? The vast majority of us are average, maybe somewhat above-average if we're lucky.

I would say, ask yourself why do yo need to compare yourself with anyone? By your own account you do very interesting work, why is that not enough? Start from there.

My own opinions as a mid-level web-focused SWD.

I think about it sometimes. It is an ego/attention thing imo if you need other people to say "great job". But you can't live in a vacuum either.

I mean part of it is personal interest, I was watching people reverse engineer an s-band transponder from the Apollo missions like cool but what is the point.

I guess just because you won't be an Einstein doesn't mean what you're doing isn't worth it. Personal satisfaction.

I used to love building/flying model airplanes until I got into social media. Then everything I made I had to post online/get upvotes. I lost the passion in it overtime because I was more interested in impressing people.

Nowadays I will build things even if it's a piece of a crap because I had fun figuring it out from scratch.

This other thing I ran into is ego-satisfaction where I would share a fantasy/idea/sketch before it was real/work done for the upvotes.

I also am aware there is just an innate capability/caliber. Like I am not a math guy.

I get the "place in the world" thing in another way eg. being poor but I think I can change it.

Oh yeah the other field I think about this is regarding physical attractiveness/relationships ha. I'm not killing it in that department.

To be fair I still post my crap on a blog, whether or not someone reads it is something else.

It is ok to feel lost and overwhelmed from time to time. Even the most brilliant people often go through hardships and difficult times. Try to find things to do that you enjoy not because other people expect them of you. External validation can be nice but also a burden. Set your own goals and try to check from time to time how much progress you have made to accomplish them. For me at the moment, this is to publish a bunch of good papers at ML conferences and land a permanent research position. But this can literally be any other goal and I don’t think it is helpful to compare yourself to others, too much. Opportunities will come to you if you are doing good work.
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Appreciate the kind response. It's true that I get unexpectedly overwhelmed by life at times. Hope to gain more maturity as I progress. Thank you!
Will you be a little happier when you accept your current place? You are a nobody at this moment, that's fine. But are you going to stay at that place for years? I don't think so from what you have written here.

What matters is you should get clear about what you want and how you will get there.

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That's seems like a helpful approach, I will try and work on this. Thank you!
I get similar comments about intellect, potential, etc. I too am a nobody. It sucks that I'll never make any "good" money and be stuck in boring jobs. Who cares though? I'm fine being a nameless peasant - the vast majority of people live their lives that way.
You remember how silly the work of high schoolers looked when you were in university? You'll get that same feeling when you hit 40, and evaluate the movers and shakers who are in their 30s.
a quick observation here: you are comparing ONE of YOU against THE COMBINATION of THE MOST BRILLIANT MINDS on the internet. Are you not capable of learning any of those topics in depth if you had the time and resources? No, I think you are certainly capable.
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I have the same idea. It’s easy to join all these efforts spanning years together in your mind after reading some of the internet. You’re then overwhelmed how much is there to achieve to get better than this brilliant-average. The fact is, it is still many years of hard work of many independent or parallel roles. It’s not an instant average, it’s a sum over time. If you’re a wide pro, it would be hell of a job getting “up there”. If you’re a sharp pro, it would be very hard to widen. You don’t have to be below average to feel this pressure, we in tech are just like these girls scrolling instagram, in a sense.
Everybody is somebody to somebody. Nobody is somebody to everybody.

Also, you don’t know for certain what kind of person you will become. Who knows what your experience today will bring you in the future?

Try CBT and address the underlying negative perspective... or you could just put head to grindstone and publish a few ground breaking white papers.

Try to be grateful for x y z, and try not focus on 1st world problems like your unfounded imposter syndrome. ZZ

There are 8 billion people on Earth and most of them will spend their entire life accomplishing nothing. I wouldn't worry too much. If you're so brilliant then prove it. Or are you too tired.
There is always places people can contribute. Look at some terrible softwares.. medical, insurance, 3pl logistics etc.. they don't need extraordinary brilliance to improve.. just UX, better systems, process and lots of area to cover.

If you can improve one industry a bit more than it is today, isn't that a sufficient place in the world?

You don’t have to. Not accepting your current situation can be a great motivator. What the hell does that even mean “your place”? Forget that be anywhere, inject yourself in to anything , grow, learn… or not and just chill.

You don’t have to accept a place in the world because you don’t even really have one, just your idea of what that means. So run with it.

I accept nothing. I try to become better.
You don't have an alternative to being yourself, so there is nothing to think about.

By all means, do what you feel you would enjoy doing and balance it off with the needs of society (by making sure you earn enough currency to live).

If you feel you want to become a better researcher or a better chess player, go and do it. Keep in mind there is no reason comparing yourself to others. Everyone's life is vastly different.

Maybe that brilliant researcher has a broken family, maybe a great philosopher is broke and living in a barrel. What's the point of comparing yourself to someone else? Compare yourself to your past self and try to improve. And don't fret if you become worse, you'll have the rest of your life to improve.

I'd recommend reading something about stoicism: https://www.orionphilosophy.com/academy-stoicism/stoicism-fo...

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