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Free American Army is just one of around 200 similar Facebook groups and profiles, most of which are still live, that anti-government and far-right extremists are using to coordinate local militia activity around the country. After lying low for several years in the aftermath of the US Capitol riot on January 6, militia extremists have been quietly reorganizing, ramping up recruitment and rhetoric on Facebook -- with apparently little concern that Meta will enforce its ban against them, according to new research by the Tech Transparency Project, shared exclusively with WIRED.
Individuals across the US with long-standing ties to militia groups are creating networks of Facebook pages, urging others to recruit "active patriots" and attend meetups, and openly associating themselves with known militia-related sub-ideologies like that of the anti-government Three Percenter movement. They're also advertising combat training and telling their followers to be "prepared" for whatever lies ahead. These groups are trying to facilitate local organizing, state by state and county by county. Their goals are vague, but many of their posts convey a general sense of urgency about the need to prepare for "war" or to "stand up" against many supposed enemies, including drag queens, immigrants, pro-Palestine college students, communists -- and the US government. These groups are also rebuilding at a moment when anti-government rhetoric has continued to surge in mainstream political discourse ahead of a contentious, high-stakes presidential election. And by doing all of this on Facebook, they're hoping to reach a broader pool of prospective recruits than they would on a comparatively fringe platform like Telegram. "Many of these groups are no longer fractured sets of localized militia but coalitions formed between multiple militia groups, many with Three Percenters at the helm," said Katie Paul, director of the Tech Transparency Project. "Facebook remains the largest gathering place for extremists and militia movements to cast a wide net and funnel users to more private chats, including on the platform, where they can plan and coordinate with impunity."
Paul has been monitoring "hundreds" of these groups and profiles since 2021 and found that they have been growing "increasingly emboldened with more serious and coordinated organizing" in the past year.
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OK, freedom of expression, rights, etc., for Americans. How about if those militia groups worshipped a different god, say if they were muslim? How would you respond to that?
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" ever present threat the state must fear if it were overstep and outrage the people"
I hate to break it to you, but until these groups can have jets, tanks and nuclear weapons they are no threat to the US government it the shit truly hits the fan.
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And yet Vietnamese farmers seem to be impossible for the US to defeat.
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by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Saturday May 04, 2024 @09:15AM (#64447298)
Kooks is kooks, and need tabs kept on them when possible. It is fortunate that these extremists choose to provide public access points to identify and monitor their activities.-
Are they kooks?
10 U.S. Code 246 - Militia: composition and classes.
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National-
The legal interpretation of this, and related laws at the state level, require that the "unorganized militia" be activated by and under the command of the state, so, no, one is not automagically a member of "the militia" by virtue of being an adult male between the ages of 17 and 45.
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You just read the entire Federal law on the topic. There is no such restriction there. State law may have more to say. That depends on where you live.
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While these groups fit the definition of the Unorganized Militia as (re)defined by SCOTUS in Perpich v. DOD, 496 U.S. 334 (1990), (because, who doesn't?), that does not authorize those groups taking up arms against a Duly and Constitutionally-Elected and Constitutionally-Performing Government (which this one is).
https://supreme.justia.com/cas... [justia.com]
However. ..
Political Disagreements over Border Policy and Appropriations that are Authorized by a Duly Elected and Constitutionally-Functioning Congress and/or Cons
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"taking up arms against a Duly and Constitutionally-Elected and Constitutionally-Performing Government (which this one is)"
That ladies and gentlemen is called "begging the question." People often misuse the term as saying something which raises a question, in reality it is trick of rhetoric wherein one asks a question which assumed a fact to be true which is the key question in the debate.
That the current government is Duly and Constitutionally-Elected and Constitutionally-Performing is disputed. If the gov
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Oh, here we go. . .
62 out of 63 Courts (many with Judges Appointed by He Who Shall Not Be Named), Held that there was ZERO Evidence of Voter Fraud sufficient to alter the Outcome of the Election."
That should "do it" for "Duly Elected". But it won't in your Circular Logic World.
That is a philosophical strawman argument, and one I will not be drawn into by the likes of someone the likes of you.
The only ones attempting to "Rig an Election" were the ones attempting to iIlegally Substitute Slates of "Alternate
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If they are extremists, they are indeed kooks. And that's what this is all about.
There is a bit of ambiguity to the second amendment - "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
That well regulated part, now what does that mean? Obviously the national guard is well regulated.
But those I have met who are in the unorganized milita want absolutely no constraints. They want anyone at all to walk into
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Well regulated also meant that Bob had to sign up and join said militia. And that Bob understood the laws that exist on what militia can and cannot do. Joe, the nominal head of the militial also knew to be well organized, he had to keep track of training, membership, as well as not running foul of any relevant laws that are in place.
I think it's worth pointing out what may seem to be obvious, like members implies keeping track of who is in and who isn't. As well as seemingly obvious things like, 'bob can'
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"Well regulated also meant that Bob had to sign up and join said militia."
False. Also it doesn't matter what it meant, the second clause which actually defines the right is not modified by the first which merely describes why it is needed. It actually helps to slightly reorder to make clear what is being said here.
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed [because as we all know] a well regulated Militia is necessary to ensure the security of a free State"
Every able bodied indiv
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It did not.
Back in the early days of our nation, when shit happened (foreign invasion, indian attack, wolf pack, etc.) the call went out in the community, and the people showed up with their weapons and together they handled the problem.
That was the militia: the able-bodied men of the community with their personal firearms.As this was deemed necessary to survival (A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State), the government was forbidden to prohibit their ownership of these weap
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In the USA not all kooks are treated equally. There was no mention of any groups that posted anything containing the phrase "from the river to the sea" on their FaceBook page. Why is that? My guess is because such people enjoy a certain kind of protection because of their politics, a kind of political slant that while in opposition to American ideals there's enough of an "enemy of my enemy" thing going on that they are tolerated at a minimum to having overt support from those that have a political majori
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I wish I had mod points for you today. This reminds me of what Slashdot used to be like 20 years ago.
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by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Saturday May 04, 2024 @11:35AM (#64447576)
Kooks is kooks, and need tabs kept on them when possible. It is fortunate that these extremists choose to provide public access points to identify and monitor their activities.
But then you did say "monitor" and not censor so I may be going on a tangent here.
Yup, monitoring is not censorship. And everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course. And others are likewise legally allowed to read them.
But extremism is a real thing, and some people end up going off the deep end.
So there is also the concept of liability. If someone promotes an armed insurrection on a particular date on a public forum, and it happens, there will be a lot of finger pointing, asking why no one was paying attention. Probably why Amazon got rid of an extremist group hosted on its servers. Get something bad enough and end up in court.
Ironically, some of the same people promoting insurrection and using social media want social media held responsible for anything that is posted on it. That is contradictory, but it shows their ideology and plans to a certain extent.
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"But extremism is a real thing, and some people end up going off the deep end."
No doubt but it is also a relative thing. One person's extreme might include being ready to use armed force to prevent an illegitimate President from assuming office, another might consider hiding medical treatments from a child's parent extreme or telling a kindergartener boy that with a few pills and genital mutilation surgeries he can transform into a girl and if his parents don't go along they are engaging in child abuse.
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Are any of these "three percent" groups making any overt calls to harm others?
Four of them [apnews.com] tried to overthrow the government on January 6th.
Another, also trying to overthrow the government [theguardian.com] on January 6th, stated he wanted to drag Speaker Pelosi down the steps, hitting her head on every one of them.
As for other terror groups, another terrorist [apnews.com] wanted to kill U.S. border patrol agents.
Two other terrorists [dallasnews.com] were indicted when they threatened to kill FBI agents and any others who tried to stop them.
Three terrori [cnn.com]
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Well stated sir.
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The problem is that they are often smart enough not to cross the line into criminality. They just rely on radicalizing people until one of them snaps and goes on a rampage, which they disavow publicly but aren't too upset about privately.
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by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Saturday May 04, 2024 @01:18PM (#64447706)
It is fortunate that these extremists choose to provide public access points to identify and monitor their activities.
They're not extremists. They're terrorists. Their goal is to use force to affect a political, governmental, or societal change. They don't accept lawful restrictions on themselves or their activities. Many are part of the "sovereign" citizen cult. Several of these terrorists were arrested [yahoo.com] as part of the January 6ty insurrection and tried to use the, "You have no power over me" defense, even as they were being taken away to jail or, oddly enough, followed the court ordered remunerations. They don't want to pay taxes or yield to authority while at the same time partaking of everything this country has to offer. Effectively, they're leeches.
This story is nothing new. Three years ago [imgur.com] a former gun executive warned of these terror groups being formed [rawstory.com] to attack democracy.
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I mean, if they're dumb enough to coordinate in an easily-accessible space, they're really helping law enforcement keep tabs on them for less public expense.
Maybe give them a few days off their eventual sentences for that as a reward.
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If there are that many different groups you can guarantee that they'll spend far more time fighting each other than they ever will fighting the government. Infighting has always been the largest opponent of revolutionary groups, and in the US the three letter agencies encourage it.
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by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Saturday May 04, 2024 @10:01AM (#64447404)
I always took these kinds of things as a bit of a joke myself. They can't overthrow the government. But historically what does make paramilitaries forces (more specifically, pro-government militias [sagepub.com]) potent is being tolerated / allowed / tacitly encouraged by the government - when such groups or more are less in line with the ruling party and allowed to do its "dirty work" that is illegal for the regular police and army. (Yes this is in the presence of some degree of law and order... after all, the ruling party doesn't have to do anything but look the other way).This has happened all around the world lots of times (yes including but by no means exclusively the Brownshirts) and yes I do think Trump would welcome such support, based on his past actions and statements so far. And yes I do think he would fire the head of the FBI to protect this type of activity, since he already did that to protect himself once.
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I'd imagine that at least some of these are honeypots set up by some federal agency. The kind of people who are stupid enough to join a Facebook group like this are probably exactly the sort that they want because they're also stupid enough to get themselves talked into committing some kind of felony that they can be arrested for.
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I hope we can all agree it is a serious issue when law enforcement takes some grumbling malcontents and deliberately acts to elevate them to an actual threat in order to justify a wider crackdown on malcontents.
That's just authoritarianism with extra steps. You should be free to grumble (but not free to kill people over your grumblings).
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by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Saturday May 04, 2024 @11:02AM (#64447512)
No, typically only authoritarians want groups primed for stochastic terrorism on their behalf. It is appropriate to single out Trump for this, as he has used various groups of useful idiots for this purpose already.
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And you think there's a secret Biden-led Democrat plot behind that. Adjust your hat, the tinfoil is too tight.
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I didn't see that. You know why? Because that's not a real thing.
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I was being sarcastic and trying to point out that they were democrats.
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I don't see Biden supporting the antisemite protestors either. At least Biden is consistent in that he doesn't like authoritarianism. But, Trump only likes authoritarian groups and governments favored by lighter skinned people, like Hungary's neofascist Orban, his little love affair with Kim Jong-un, and his pal Vladdy Putin. He wants the Proud Boys to stand by, and talks about poisoning the blood of our people akin to good 'ol uncle Adolf. I don't know about you, but many of my relatives for generations
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Antisemitism is a meaningless word. Are you talking about people who want to see Netanyahu's government collapse? Or maybe you're talking about people who don't support apartheid?
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A live example of the old cartoon with someone sawing-off the tree limb that theyâ(TM)re perched on.
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Give them a break, they've only just started co-ordinating on Facebook, and they're still trying to work out that whole 'rub the sticks together for fire' thingy.
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If Democrats were competent, they wouldn’t need to illegally open a border to secure millions of illegal votes while claiming voter ID laws are “racist” in a country addicted to demanding ID for damn near everything.
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Ok, boomer.
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Well, there was only one originally but then they had a disagreement & a group broke off from "Patriotic Americans for freedom" & formed a new group, called "Freedom for Patriotic Americans" but some members from both groups thought that the disagreement was too petty & so broke off to form their own group, called "Patriotic Free Americans," but then...
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by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 04, 2024 @09:19AM (#64447310)
There is an increasing public perception that law and order is circling the drain, especially in urban areas. The rise of vigilante behavior isn't particularly surprising when there are a large number of people who don't feel like the government is doing an adequate job of protecting them from criminals.
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And that perception is idiotic. Urban areas are fine. It's the rural hellholes where these idiots are playing with their toys that are getting more and more dangerous because of criminals like these militias.
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Uh... ignore the scaremongering politicians and search for "us crime rate by year".
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I see. And should I ask the left-wing organization, the left-wing organization, or the left-wing organization for that truncated data protecting the politicians who keep saying everything’s fine?
Like asking for flu statistics circa 2020-2022. Good luck finding anything that resembles accuracy. If crime were actually down, the mainstream media would have an easy time selling it. They don’t, because reality tends to make selling it a bitch.
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No just look at the actual raw numbers. If you feel the need to assign a label to them simply because they disagree with your world view then you are the problem, not the numbers.
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You are correct. It is actually not a fact at all.
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Why do you suppose people feel this way, when crime rates have been dropping in most of the United States for years, especially in urban areas?
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Because a certain political party doesn't have a platform, and thus need a boogey man to run against.
Even if it's just made up.
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The left has lost the plot, Black Parrot.
This video (who has speakers who were past NPR hosts) explains it really well.https://youtu.be/PPvNucxB7TI [youtu.be]
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You're absolutely not paying attention. Even these bloggers who started off liberal are starting to notice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
And who's spitting lies again https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Democrat policies are destroying the very fabric of society. I heard it explained this way:
Diversity without UNITY is Decomposition... As in the US (Really, the whole of 'Western society') is decomposing before our very eyes. Keep listening to MSNBC / CNN / and NPR though. -
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Well, then, demonstrate for the benefit of the class.
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Both violent and property crime rates, overall, in the United States, have dropped significantly in the past 30 years. It's always possible to cherry pick a large statistical set for outliers, as you're doing, but the overall statistics say otherwise.
Police budgets have grown, not shrunk. While some people have advocated for the defunding of police, that doesn't make it so. Police budgets continue to grow at a staggering rate.
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There is someone else here who posted the 30y overview, the last 4 years had a bend upwards in that overall statistic. So crime has been increasing in the past few years which is what the OP said.
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The fuck good is a 30-year long statistic when it comes to crime that’s happening in your face today? You really think the woman who was raped yesterday is going to feel better once you tell her that rape statistics are down?
Show me the last 30 days, not the last 30 years. Then you can talk about how much more safe we should all feel today, since the safety of me and my family is relevant to today, not 30 years ago.
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I believe you meant to type "because".
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Protect yourself. Courts have held [wikipedia.org] that the government has no duty to protect you.
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And how do we protect ourselves from the elected traitors hell-bent on taking 2A Rights away from citizens wanting to protect themselves again? Do I just vote, or should I first lobby to raise the voting age to somewhere north of 25 first?
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I'm not certain that will do anything to defend the 2A on the face of it. There are just as many young people interested in shooting sports as there are boomers.
But pegging the voting age to the same as the right to keep and bear arms might be one approach. If one is responsible enough to own arms, one is responsible enough to vote.
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The "increasing public perception" is just that, a perception created by the media for eyeballs. The reality is that violent crime is falling, has been falling for three decades, and there is no expectation that trend is likely to change any time soon. On the other hand political violence is rising, again to large extent because of the media. My recommendation to you would be to start to look a lot more critically at your media consumption, look for factual data rather than emotional statements (as few and far between as they may be).
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Which makes it really funny when Trump was whining how nobody was showing up to support him at his trials. Well you kept telling people cities are nothing but crime ridden urban hellscapes. No wonder they're scared to go.
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Except these aren't vigilantes. They aren't running around trying to be Batman catching criminals. They're (incompetently) organizing and training their own private armies for a future military conflict.
The goal isn't to stop crime, the goal is to have that private army ready for when there's a civil war and/or anarchy. If that happens you're in a position to play power broker by joining the fight, or maybe even rule your own little region if government really collapses like in the post-apocalyptic stories.
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That sounds scary. I'm frightened now, and ready to turn to the government to protect me. I'm sure it won't cost too much liberty. Just a little.
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You’re definitely not thinking logically. Spend a day walking the streets of America and realize 200+ militias haven’t changed a damn thing with regards to your overall risk.
Just because other countries chose to define what a “militia” is through violent action, doesn’t mean American militias will automatically do the same. You’re being quite racist by assuming so.
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I think this has always been the case, even before the Internet. It's nothing new. The only thing that has changed is that it's easier to publish alarmist news articles about it.
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But those are adults, so they can't call it that.
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The gubbermint has access to that. So, any organizing they do in FB winds up on the desk of the FBI team designated to monitor them.
Im unconcerned and actually support their right to exist. Generally in the US, your allowed to have hateful, ignorant, even dangerous views. As long as you dont act on them, the gov will quietly watch and not mess with your life. Its a big part of what distinguishes us from, say, other countries and cultures that are presenting themselves as alternate world leaders
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I'm always surprised to find out how many militias already have an embedded FBI agent, and how many hillbilly terrorists adopt an accomplice who turns out to be an agent.
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Which feds? FBI? CIA? US Marshalls? The IRS?
Why would a federal agency hire slack jaws to cosplay as extremists? To curtail your "freedoms"? Which freedom specifically? I know a guy who actually talked about grabbing guns but the statement is always overlooked.
“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.
“Take the guns
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that these clowns drive around in vehicles that often are without license plates, and sometimes park illegally, yet the local authorities NEVER ticket them for these actions (which would, of course, lead to the drivers being unmasked and identified in public records)? It's also curious that the FBI has spent three years arresting Jan6 protesters from all around the country, dragging them to DC where they will have Judges, juries, prosecutors and public defenders who despise them, then jailed them for years
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They don’t get pulled over or ticketed because local cops are members of these groups.
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Oh good, more of Meal Team Six and the Christian Taliban. These people cried about wearing masks for two years and now they have no problems wearing them when they're doing military cosplay. Judging by the beer guts they all sport, an "undesirable" would only need to run a block or two to escape them.
And oddly enough they only every wave Trump flags.
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209 of the 200 groups are likely run by the FBI/CIA and the rest by the FSB.
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Now why does an article like this get publicized and posted?
Could it be that we need to remind the proles that the latest edition of the Newspeak dictionary defines "antigovernment militancy" as a strictly rightwing phenomenon?
Of course! Why if we didn't regularly issue such helpful reminders, the poor naive fucks might pick up a newspaper, see organized packs of leftists repeating terrorist slogans, and think that the left *isn't* all smiles und sunshine.
Can't have that, dear boy.
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Anti government has been right wing for decades. Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, all right wing extremists.
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Antifa, BLM, and even Feds involved in Jan 6 prove how left-wing extremists have taken that job now.
Not to mention you conveniently forgot about anti government groups like the Black Panthers.
All right-wing? Nice try.
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You think Jan 6th was left wing? Well I'm about to blow up your argument. https://www.npr.org/2024/01/04... [npr.org]
Why would Trump pardon left wing extremists?
The Black Panthers exercising their second amendment rights caused governor Ronald Reagan AND the NRA to get rid of open carry laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Why does Ronald Reagan hate the second amendment?
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In the tiny country I live "Northern Ireland" they only mention 3 of our terror organizations.. Really? You could add an entire extra page.
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Without getting deep into the political weeds here, can anyone explain how an identified militia is automatically assumed as “extremists” in America? When exactly did the 2nd Amendment get modified to make that concept null and void again?
Based on what many a non-violent not-an-extremist American citizen has blatantly witnessed and endured directly with regards to the no-gun-rights anti-gun movement in America, that militia the Constitution identified as necessary for the security of a Free Sta
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I'll define it.
If you walk around doing military cosplay and talk about shooting people who cross the border illegally, you just might be an extremist.
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... actual Jew-hating nazis [twitter.com] run wild on campus, and... nobody cares.
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Every damn one of them think the South should rise again
That was the Democrats.
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Every damn one of them think the South should rise again
That was the Democrats.
That was the party of the south.
150 years ago, the party of the south called themselves "democrats" and the party of the north called themselves "republicans". In the early-to-mid 1900's the two parties swapped policies and voter-bases, so it doesn't make sense to think of the historical parties in terms of what today's parties call themselves. -
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The abolitionist movement was promoted in British Colonies (and the USA) by the Quakers. Like Richard M Nixon and his ilk.
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I'm not saying their all nazis, all I'm saying is when you keep having nazis show up on your behalf, you might just have a nazi problem.
For those I have now angered, you're going to scream "those are feds!"
Which federal agency? The FBI? It's lead by a Trump appointee. You think they get professional effects artists to airbrush tattoos every day on these false flag nazis? They also seem to be able to breathe just fine while wearing a mask.
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The fact that this comment has gotten upvotes tells me more about/. than I had cared to know.
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The site has been infested with Libertardians for years, their population ebbs and flows, but they're constantly present, kind of like the smell of the neighbor's chicken coop. It never ceases to amaze me that a fact-oriented web site is populated with so many fact-adverse Libertards.
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If you wish to be a subject of the All-Glorious State I'm sure you can find one. Cuba, Venezuela, or North Korea come immediately to mind.
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Are you saying the government only gets bigger under Democrats?
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*Citation needed. I know a group obsessed with what adults do behind closed doors and what women do with their bodies.
Might I suggest moving to a place with less government?
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I highly recommend Haiti at the moment. There is literally no government and they could use your help cleaning bodies from the streets.
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I did that. New Hampshire. Free State Project. Turns out the libertarians are also weakminded conspiracy theorists who were trivially easy for Russian propaganda to control.
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These are the dumb ones. The ones who actually have OPSEC are scary. That was the McVeigh thing in a nutshell.
And before everyone gets too hot and bothered about the topic, my sister got killed in the Murrah building, working the recruiting station there. In fact, you can find pictures of me in most of those 1995 picture books from OKC.
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I'm not worried about the LARPers directly, but my worry is this kind of coordination helps them promote and normalize extremism, and that can radicalize the scary ones. For instance, a few of these nutters showed up to the Jan 6th protests and generally wandered around confused once they got in the building. Having watched that are a few folks with OPSEC going to show up to the next Jan 6th with a real plan to do real damage in place?
I'm sorry for your loss.
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"These are the dumb ones. The ones who actually have OPSEC are scary. That was the McVeigh thing in a nutshell."
Dude, McVeigh was a loner and unaffiliated with any militia group. The feds claimed to have found a card from having once visited a militia group in his stuff. If there was an OP involved with McVeigh then it would have been a fed OP to do the whole thing just to establish negative sentiment toward patriot groups which were gaining serious momentum at that point post-waco. The entire movement expe
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If only the TLAs handled them with the Jihadist-level seriousness they deserve, then their complete lack of opsec would actually threaten their operations...I don't think Jan 6th caused any significant change their sadly. US law enforcement and intellligence agencies still handle domestic right-wing militias with kid gloves.
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