ASUS Shows Off Concept GeForce RTX 40 Graphics Card Without Power-Connectors, Us...
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ASUS Shows Off Concept GeForce RTX 40 Graphics Card Without Power-Connectors, Uses Proprietary Slot
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So the graphics card itself is a 2.3 slot design that features a triple axial-tech cooling fan system and once again, it isn't part of any interesting GPU lineup from ASUS such as ROG STRIX, TUF Gaming, Dual, etc. The backside of the card features an extended backplate that extends beyond the PCB & there's a cut-out for the air to pass through. The card also comes with a dual-BIOS switch that lets you switch between the "Performance" & "Quiet" modes but while there's a "Megalodon" naming on the backplate, we were told that isn't the final branding for this card.
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You need some basic grammar and a realisation that every standard at some point was a demo product.
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So do Slashdot editors.
"features now power plugs"
instead of
"features no power plugs""Spotted during our tour at the ASUS HQ, the ROG team"
Good thing that team is easy to spot....but I'll stop here, because all those mistakes also exist in TFA. If only ChatGPT would proof text before pasting... -
Talk about grammar, TFS doesn't make any sense!
It says the graphic card is without power connector but it also says it has a "now" power plug.
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Nope, not interested! Sounds like something for those with money and no common sense.
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Indeed. to be fair, there are a lot of those.
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Soon the VGA will become the de facto motherboard, beside the meme.
Think of a motherboard but with an embedded VGA on it, with all the heat sinks, fans, etc. Or a VGA with a motherboard embedded on it.-
I mean if were designing a motherboard today you could probably make a case for something more akin to a dual socket for the CPU and GPU (probably something with integrated VRAM since I have read it can't be socketed due to latency) which would allow bigass proper air coolers or AIO rather than the kindof shoehorned abominations we get not with add on cards, a layout designed in what, the 70's?
Look at like a 4090 4-slot which needs physical supports to keep it from pulling the slot right out of the board.
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This is a cool idea, but since it is a proprietary standard there's a higher chance of it flopping. Will this connector work with 50xx and 60xx series cards? Who knows? Why would I buy a motherboard without some assurance that it'll stick around for at least a couple more generations of graphics cards? No thanx I will wait for the industry consensus version.
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So I need to buy a motherboard with a special proprietary slot in order to save myself the effort of plugging in an industry standard power plug to the video card?
I have absolutely no problem with a video card power plug. Never even thought of it as an issue. I just plug it in and forget about it. Since when were power plugs a rarity in a PC system?
I do have a problem with proprietary slots. Doubly so when there's no benefit and that motherboard probably costs more, too.
To get what? A 4070 card?
Is there anyone on the planet that will benefit from this?
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Aren't you aware of the multiple cases recently posted? Apparently, graphic card power connector are really bad and are a tremendous fire hazard!/s
There were several articles right here on Slashdot about PC catching on fire because of graphic card power connector!
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They seem to be quickly trying to kill their business with bad ideas and quality control issues.
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I was wishing for something like this when all the 4090's were melting connectors. Those and even the old molex one's are only 'officially' rated to be plugged/unplugged like 30 times. Granted that should be plenty, but it's so low because it's simply a poor interface.
So I like this idea a lot since it's what I wound up thinking. Power needs to come from the slot. People have been saying this for ages though iirc.
I do NOT like who is offering this though. Fuck asus and their overpriced and now anti-competit
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That's a really bad idea. Higher end cards can draw hundreds of watts and you don't necessarily want that much current going through your motherboard. And if something goes wrong, say a short, I'd really rather replace a power cable than the board when the graphics card fails.
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Doesn't need to be on the silicone. It can ride on top, be routed around, whatever. There's no reason it needs to be worse than it is now other than doom and gloom is high fashion currently.
Ha...
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Great, so now if something goes wrong and it melts down... there goes the whole motherboard. And ASUS will not cross ship when their products crap out, so you can wait for it too.
Homebrew builders will love reseating the CPU and heatsink and then recasing the whole thing. Maybe other things on motherboard power get a power surge and fry too. This all sounds very exciting. No thanks.
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But don't you want the liability of an extra 300-800W flowing through your motherboard? Think of all the magic smoke that could be released that you'd be denying.
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That should definitely be "features no power plugs."
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As there isn't enough power on standard mobo rail to power RTX card, I assume you would plug standard GPU power into mobo. So what is the point?
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Better (no power connector) and worse (proprietary slot) at the same time.
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Obviously anybody with a minimal clue will stay far away from this.
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This seems like it could be actually worth considering if it were standardized; but a very hard sell as-is.
Even if the accompanying motherboards are attractive on their own merits and not priced like they are being sold to locked-in buyers of expensive GPUs you are still rolling the dice on future availability of motherboards that will work; and are essentially certain to be disappointed if you ever(either for your own use; or by reselling the card when you upgrade) want to shuffle this GPU off to more cost-sensitive duty elsewhere once it's no longer shiny and new.
It's an extra hard sell given that the alternative is just putting whatever inputs you are adding to the motherboard to let it source that much +12v from the proprietary slot on the card instead; 12VHPWR is certainly the least lovable PCIe power connector yet; but (unless there some sort of Nvidia licensing fuckery involved) there's nothing stopping you from just using 6 or 8 pin PCIe instead.
Given the tendency, especially of x16 cards, to be fairly high power(not just GPUs, though those are the major offenders in desktops, more serious NICs and CXL devices are also pretty toasty) it seems like there's a solid case to be made for a standardized mechanism to provide more than 75w without extra cabling; but that's not an argument in favor of being stuck with the pre-standard version.-
I would definitely be happy to get away from mini-fit jr. connectors. I would prefer a power cable with a better connector on it to a different bus, but perhaps we could have a board design with a high power connector next to (in line with) the bus connector? The problem there is, I'm not sure I actually want that much power going through my motherboard. No, in fact, I'm sure I don't.
Mini-fit jr. is fine for reasonably low-current applications, but it just doesn't make sense to use it for this. Molex even h
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Reminds me of MCA all over again.
Maybe ASUS will have their own OS and lockdown CPUs to their motherboards too?
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This is the exact opposite of innovation. This is just physical DRM. Gross.
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We don't need another proprietary slot.
That being said, I am okay with this kind of experimentation. If there is a market, other manufacturers will come up with their own ideas, and soon we might actually have a standard. Worst case, those who bought this will be stuck in the past.
ASUS making this open is very unlikely though. They don't even use thunderboit for external GPUs, but their own "XG" port. (Same one on the new ASUS handheld "ROG Ally"). And that had no viable generic adapters so far.
Anyway, good
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With GPUs needing this much power, it makes me wonder if we need a port just dedicated to the video card, like AGP. Or, have Thunderbolt and have the video card in its own dedicated box, where it can suck up as much power as needed. eGPUs are definitely not new (IBM had an eGPU for AIX, the GXT-1000 in the early/mid 1990s), but the advantage they do offer is that regardless of the PC case or form factor, if the PC has a Thunderbolt port that can support the graphics in and out, the GPU case can be anythin
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this is maximum wank.
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Does it come with a spot for a ZPM ?
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I've actually been wondering for a while why boards don't have a special GPU slot, since GPUs seem to have higher and higher power and throughput requirements every year.
I've seen separate boxes for some GPUs but it seems like this (or something like it) will become the next standard.
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Hmmm... That sure looks like a connection for power at the end of the board, with a connector on the motherboard for it to fit into. Maybe if the said plug-less, I could believe them. A PCI slot is a connector. Something with 16 plated fingers on it that sure looks ready to mate with the edge connector on the card ought to be called a connector.
What's with this desire to call it connector-less?
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