Bob Lee, Creator of Cash App and Former CTO of Square, Stabbed To Death
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...of San Francisco. They are soft on crime and won't do anything about their homeless problem. Tech companies support this level of wokeness for the most part and so do most of the employees. Any company with a brain would move out of that city.
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Given the events of the past few days on the opposite coast, I'm under the impression that the Democrats have done an about face on strict criminal prosecution and defunding law enforcement.
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Move them into housing. I'm sure California has some mothballed military bases with unused barracks thst could be put to good use.
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Ok so yeah the bases that were closed decades ago, are no longer maintained and still have unexploded ammo all over.
Those bases?
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It would be cheaper to build new housing elsewhere than clean up the super-fund quality mess the military left behind in most of those places.
Ever been in a military or government facility? I did a few years for the boys playing with the nukes. Quite literally outside or nearby almost every building was a pile of rusted out 40 gallon drums. What was in them? Dunno. They'd been there so long the labels had warn down but on some you could still see the hazard symbols. And these were very active faciliti
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Considering that DeSantis actually made it legal for a brief period (a judge overturned it) to run over protestors, I'd assume we're not far off from the alt-right proposing to simply shoot the homeless. Either Florida or Texas will probably do it first.
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No plan. No proof. Just a loud angry mouth flapping lies.
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Michael Shellenberger studied this for years, comparing cities that reduced homelessness to those that increased it. He wrote an entire book about it. In short, it helps to carrot and stick:
- Assign a tribunal to each case with a representative from social services, the court system, and hopefully a family member.
- Provide psychological and/or drug treatment when needed (which is most of the time).
- Mandate needed treatment under penalty of law, mandate using acceptable shelter under penalty of law, and inc
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by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:18AM (#63427540)
.. as the homeless person that met the same fate.
*Both* deserve respect of being. Both had a mother and father, were born, raised, and hopefully, provided for to the best of the parents abilities. That one ended up a C-level suit and the other on the streets makes little difference in affording them a minor decorum of respect.
At least until I hear that Bob Lee was some sort of complete asshat corporate despot... which hasn't come out - just assumptions from a bunch of rambling morons here on/.
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Not sure why this is being voted down. This post is describing basic humanity - treat each other with at least a moderate amount of respect until they prove themselves unworthy. No one deserves to be stabbed to death - or murdered in the street by any other means.
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Not sure why this is being voted down. This post is describing basic humanity
Welcome to modern Slashdot. Just like on the story about the guy who stole a car getting gunned down it's amazing the number of apathetic arseholes that are on Slashdot.
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Just like on the story about the guy who stole a car getting gunned down
Play stupid games...
...Win stupid prizes.
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But I'm posting anonymously on the Internet; allow me to show you my darkest side...
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Regardless, that's not for some hobo with a knife to judge. Even asshats have the right to fly in on their private jets and face a jury.
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[citation needed]
What homeless person? The summary and article mention only Bob Lee and no other victim(s). Same with the new that's been on TV about the murder. Details of any kind are very scarce so far, and it seems that SFPD doesn't even have a suspect yet. But I would think that if there had been a second victim, it would at least have been mentioned in passing.
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I don't know what homeless person you are talking about as the murder is still being investigated...
Regardless, the reason this is newsworthy here is because a lot of people who read/. may have known Bob Lee either personally or indirectly. He has been around the block in the tech space for a long time.
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by cpurdy ( 4838085 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:46AM (#63427638)
I've known Crazy Bob for over 20 years. I was in his wedding (on the bridge of the Star Trek Enterprise in Vegas, of course). He is one of the smartest, kindest, craziest sons of bitches to ever grace this planet, and today this planet is all the poorer for his passing.
He was a patient mentor to countless people. Even though he was hugely successful, it never went to his head. He was real. He was imperfect. He was kind. He was freaking smart. And he helped to create technologies that billions of people use and count on every day.
And for those of you posting bullshit about politics and California and democrat ruined cities and murders, fuck you. Seriously, fuck you to hell. Yes, San Francisco is fucked up; everyone who has been there in the past 10+ years knows that. But San Francisco has had like 10 murders this year, out of millions of people.
But one death is too many. And this one is too painful. Rest in peace, brother.-
You need to research this better. The population of San Francisco is 815,000, not "millions".
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You need to research this better. The population of San Francisco is 815,000, not "millions".
Presumably they were talking about the metro area, which even without the major cities included has almost 5 million people. Kind of like how Los Angeles has 3.8M people but estimates of the greater metro area population can go as high as 20M if you count the undocumented.
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Presumably they were talking about the metro area, which even without the major cities included has almost 5 million people. Kind of like how Los Angeles has 3.8M people but estimates of the greater metro area population can go as high as 20M if you count the undocumented.
There have been ten murders in SF this year, but for the greater Bay Area the count is 58 (with Oakland being the biggest contributor at 26).
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As a former long term resident of the greater SF Bay Area, no.
You can't add up everyone there and say, "well there were 58 murders out of 8 million, therefore... blah blah blah".
Every city has its own local government, police, jails, culture, standards, budget, and everything else.
I left SF for another place in the so called "greater metro area" (no one there ever calls it that), because the other places I lived were different from SF. Very different.
The problems SF has/had were no longer mine. I didn't h
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I lived there too, which is irrelevant, and that's also not what I did, so your comment is irrelevant.
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Then you would know there is no point or reason to add other cities to the SF count which is what you should have to,d the other person.
My comment is spot on. Thanks.
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Looks like about 60 in the whole SF bay area
The SF bay area is 7.76 Millionhttps://www.mercurynews.com/20... [mercurynews.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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You know, this sort of comment undermines your arguments, rather than strengthening them. Even if you have real arguments, starting with this will make people ignore them.
10 murders in three months for 815k people (sticking with city boundaries on both numbers), is ~5/100k on an annualized basis, compared with a national average of 7.8/100k, so SF is safer than average. In fact, it's slightly safer than CA as a whole (5.8/100k), and safer than many of the red states (e.g. Texas, 6.6; Kentucky, 7.2; Georgi
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Alcoholics, methheads, fentys. They sit in the park all day, smoking (not just cigarettes), drinking, and playing music. They piss and crap in public. They keep all decent people away. Then they stumble off to their tents and motorhomes, leaving a mess in the park for others to clean up. This is just the park next to my office.
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San Francisco has been descending into chaos and failed statehood for a long time now. They continue to vote for policies that cause this. You would think for all the supposedly smart people there they would realize the status quo is not working. Sadly there is now one less productive member of society.
SF is one of the worst cities I've been to. I have a blanket "No SF" policy for any of my customers that request I travel. The last time I was there (near the Zendesk office) I saw a woman crapping between two cars. I wish I could say that was an isolated incident. I have never seen such a thing in my home city or many other cities I've been to. -
WhY wOn'T pEoPlE mOvE bAcK tO sAn FrAnCiScO!?
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by saloomy ( 2817221 ) on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:55AM (#63427442)
You think people deserve to die because they are C level execs? WTF is wrong with you?-
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Yet I suspect, you wish for them to weep for you.
If you don't understand my comment, you are indeed without true empathy.
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Handguns, which kill 4x more people than knives, are the thing they want to ban. I'm not sure why you mentioned rifles, which barely kill any people in a given year. Criminals don't generally carry around long-ass rifles...
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There are far fewer people who advocate for banning handguns compared to people who want assault weapons banned. The difference is that many who are neither anti nor pro gun genuinely believe that a handgun might be useful to protect themselves. However, most people, including many who generally support gun ownership, don't see a reason for personal ownership of assault weapons.
Depends on your definition of a criminal. Certainly for mass shootings, assault weapons are significant. According to this NYU [nih.gov]
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The data you have presented is number of deaths by rifle not number of deaths per rifle as it is counting the instance not the number of weapons used. How long each murder took. As a partial matter, an assault rifle can kill more people and in a shorter amount of time than a knife. Unless wielded by John Wick. If the was included in the chart, I am sure that death by pencil would be quite high.
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That stat is so cherry picked, it's embarrassing to even watch someone repeat it.
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What is your replacement for corporations that still allows society to advance, people to feed their kids, put stuff on shelves, build homes, make and distribute food and so on?
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Co-ops, syndicalism, communes..., any form of workplace democracy, really.
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Have you experienced any of that? I have. It was a fucking disaster.
Beyond a trivial size, a situation where every knucklehead has a say is not going to work. They quickly break down into personality cults and politics.
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Co-op doesn't mean ungoverned, even though lots of them are.
There are examples of co-ops with adequate governance which are very successful. Credit unions, for example. The grocer Winco, and many health food stores — IME about half of the ones still existing are now co-ops. And then there are the co-ops of businesses [medium.com]... yes, you can have co-ops of co-ops. We literally do not need corporations to exist at all.
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Uh, I'm not familiar with winco but credit unions have a CEO and corporate structure.
The restaurant co-ops I'm familiar with also had a boss figure.
At the end of the day someone has to make decisions. You can't function when everyone has to vote on every little thing. Once you have a boss you have a corporation.
Since capitalism is all about maximizing profit, how come investors don't seek out co-ops to invest in? Why do they put their money into corporations? How many co-ops are on the stock exchange?
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Most of those don't scale very well.
The problem is that corporate management isn't held responsible for the crimes committed by the corporation they manage. And this, unfortunately, tends to be true of any human hierarchy: the powerful are excused for their misdeeds. It doesn't matter much what the official structure of the organizations are.
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soooo, therefore, if YOU become a c level executive, then you deserve to be knifed to death?
I mean, that is your logic, right?
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Your point is logically sound but unrealistic as the odds he ever gets anywhere near the executive suite is zero. Not just near zero but zero. With good reason.
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100% Florida Man
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You don’t have to defend someone to feel bad that they were stabbed to death, you edgelordship.
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Why would I feel bad? He had money. Was prolly a happy person until he was stabbed.
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Hoarding it? Keep going... you're demonstrating your utter lack of economic literacy.
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He was a C Level. He wasn't a part of the peasant class.
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surely you're being sarcastic. Everything about that view looks modern, clean, no graffiit or even homeless.
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10 blocks away is the fentanyl apocalypse... they're ambulatory when not completely wasted.
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In SF 10 blocks is half a city away.
The non-residential area of the city is pretty compact.
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Honest question, because I never seem to get this... What's the indicator that this neighborhood is terrible? Looks like a pretty average office area - there's a Sweetgreen across the street.
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It is kind of funny when you think about. My current neighborhood, middle class, honest families raising honest kids,,is pretty safe. But everyone will say it is not. My old neighborhood, million dollars homes, was not. You could not leave anything in your car or on your porch. Houses being remodeled had all their copper stolen. It was the upper class kids looking for drug money.
A lot of crime is economic inequality or economic expectations not being met. Or just lack of parenting. One acquaintance from the suburbs would drive drunk back from the beach, usually stealing something before he left.
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Crime rates directly refute your claim at least in the US. Criminals steal from where they live much more often than they travel to steal something.
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I see what you're saying, but I know of no data/studies that show WHERE criminals commit crimes relative to where they live. That is, how many copper pipe thefts are committed in nicer areas by neighbors versus non-neighbors?
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Outside of white collar crime most crime is committed disproportionally by people of lower economic status meanwhile most high crime areas are where people of lower economic status live. If they were traveling to higher income areas to commit their crimes in meaningful numbers this wouldnt be the case.
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What I'm getting at is that in nicer areas, the crimes are more likely committed by non-locals. I can't imagine there are so many desperate drug users in nice areas that most of the crimes committed there are by them.
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All I was saying is that they mostly do and that is pretty observable by crimes rates. I'm sure you're correct in your last post here though that some small number dont.
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You think downtown San Francisco looks dangerous? Have you even seen Detroit, MI? [instagram.com] Now that's what a rough looking neighborhood looks like.
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Those don't look dangerous, they look empty.
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The photos aren't conclusive, but look at the stats.
The homicide rate for San Francisco is 2.4, which is better than New Zealand.
The homicide rate for Detroit, is 41.4, which is worse than El Salvador.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Yeah, but we're talking about neighborhoods, not overall city rates.
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I used to work on that block a few years ago not more than a hundred feet from where he was murdered.
It was a nothing special area of small office buildings and restaurants to feed office workers. Not much else going on. Very tame.
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That was back then. Now it is crime alley, a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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Lol, fair enough, I haven't been there in about 5 years. That's a pretty fast turn around from boring corporate office area to crime alley.
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It wasn't the left wing who closed the looney bins. It was Reagan. It wasn't a left supreme court who said that homeless can sleep everywhere. It was the conservative supreme court. It wasn't the left who got everyone addicted to oxy. It was the Sacklers, who donate to the right while pocketing billions.
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It wasn't the left wing who closed the looney bins. It was Reagan. It wasn't a left supreme court who said that homeless can sleep everywhere. It was the conservative supreme court. It wasn't the left who got everyone addicted to oxy. It was the Sacklers, who donate to the right while pocketing billions.
It wasn't the right wing who advocated for defunding the police, it wasn't the right wing who said cashless bail or just not bothering to prosecute petty crimes were good ideas. It was George Soros and spen
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Stabbings happen so often in Miami that their local news has its own story tag for them. [cbsnews.com] Florida hasn't had a Democrat governor in over 24 years.
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Every stabbing is a shooting that didn't happen!
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Wow, you flip it, and it is just as meaningful.
Except San Francisco is the epicenter of hard-left progressive policies.
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California is not left leaning.
California is a single parry state. It is entirely blue now. The Republicans don't even have the votes to stall legislation much less write their own or block anything.
Do you have any idea what you're talking about? No.
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Wow, you flip it, and it is just as meaningful.
It ends up being a partisan issue because both sides have differing opinions on how it should be addressed. The left wants greater social safety nets in place so that people can get healthcare and the help they need to be a productive member of society, before they reach the point that they're shooting up schools or stabbing people on the street.
The right just wants curfews and more police, [foxnews.com] and more so-called good guys with guns. [flgov.com]
Thing is, the left isn't getting what they want (we don't have socialized healthcare, and resources available to no/low income folks are still a joke), yet in many red states the policies of heavier policing and more guns are in affect. When you look at it that way, it makes it a little clearer whose policies are actually failing to produce the desired result.
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thank you for this! So on point!
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The only career criminals that matter are the ones at the top, like Bill Gates who was let off the hook by Bush's DoJ. Wage theft exceeds all other theft. If you actually cared about theft, you'd be so focused on wage theft and asset forfeiture that you wouldn't even have time to think about petty crimes.
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That might make the slightest bit of sense if Republicans were in charge of San Francisco for the last forty years. I'm not saying you can blame all problems on local politicians and their policies, but persistent issues such as this certainly have to be among those to which some responsibility must be assigned, because you can directly compare those policies and their results to other cities. SF is well-known to be a fairly dangerous city relative to others in the US, which is a shame, because it's such
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If blue has been in charge for 40+ years how can they not be directly to blame for implementing failed policies?
Who should be blamed if not them?
Trump?
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You need to rewatch Gattaca. Or watch it for the first time. The dystopia you want to set up is not all that pleasant even for the ubermenschen. There has to be a better way, and there probably is.
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let's be real. This is San Francisco, the epicenter of hard-left politics. Their descent into crime and filth was primarily the result of progressive policies. Hell, it's bad enough there that they even recalled their dipshit DA who didn't believe in prosecuting anyone.
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Gattaca is all about prejudging. When somebody is already living on the street, high on drugs, and defecating on the sidewalk, there's no prejudging involved.
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A camp where you could, say concentrate such folks? A final solution to the problem, you say?
Let freedom ring!
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You think Nazis are the only ones with death camps? Their Communist siblings perfected them.
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I tend to think this word gets overused and is often slang for "I disagree with you" but sheesh, the GP is one shitty take, isn't it? He may as well be calling for homeless people to wear yellow stars, and his utopia in the desert can have "work will set you free" above the gates.
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Let’s talk about St. Louis and New Orleans first. Both red states. https://fox2now.com/news/misso... [fox2now.com]
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Both cities run by democrat majority, demonstrating only how important local control is to the outcomes.
Well, and how far some people will stretch to avoid alienating their tribe. Your faith is commendable.
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You wanna play that card? OK, how come the city with the highest homicide rate in California, Stockton, has a Republican mayor?
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“You wanna play that card?”
Homicide should not be a political game, but let’s at least make sure there’s a level playing field.
Stockton has a long history of high crime rates in California, its mayoral elections aren’t party affiliated, and the current mayor was specifically elected to address clean up crime that rose after years of “progressive” mismanagement. He has a tough job given California’s anti-police and anti-prosecutorial stance, and is well enough
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(City with Democrat mayor in Republican-controlled state has bad crime) "it's the freaking mayor's fault, who cares how the state votes"
(City with Republican mayor in Democrat-controlled state has bad crime) "it's not the freaking mayor's fault, what's important is how the state votes"
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This should be an X/Y plot...
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Just had a similar discussion. Look at two US statistical maps.
One, murder rate by county. E.g.,
https://upload.wikimedia.org/w... [wikimedia.org]
For the other, let's use 2020 presidential election results by county.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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So the state’s laws have no bearing on how cities are run?
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Given state laws matter and in a significant number of states the Democrats can't even run them...
Plus, you're equating "Progressive" with "Democrat", which is manifestly obviously not true. Most Democrats are centrist. Some are even right wing. You'd have to be nuts to call Rahm Emanuel as progressive for example, and he barely counts as a centrist.
The current SF government is pro-NIMBY and pro-car/anti-walkable neighborhoods. Does that scream progressive to you? It doesn't me.
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Are you seriously trying to claim the SF city government isn't progressive?
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Plus, you're equating "Progressive" with "Democrat", which is manifestly obviously not true.
Well, they pretty much ARE synonymous these days with the policies they are promoting and enforcing.
That being said, I don't believe the MAJORITY of democrat voters are progressive, BUT, the extremely loud and active progressive extreme wing is controlling the overall party. I don't know why the majority of Dem voters, don't make their voices heard and let them know that the majority are more moderate....
Good lu
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okay, so let's take a larger view of the situation, much, much, much more progressive policies are at work in Norway, Sweden, Finland, and a host of other countries, yet none of them have the same levels of crime per capita, homelessness per capita, or drug use, per capita, as any of the 'progressive' states in the USA.
Why is that? Is it because the progressive policies are so bad, but Europeans are smarter so don't have these issues? Probably not. Looking at IQ data from Europe, they're about like we a
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Apples to abalones. All those countries listed have largely homogeneous societies and they have historical cultures which emphasize education and societal order. It might take a century or more for the US to coalesce and create a real culture. Until then we are more like a corporation than a country. As such we need law and order.
Also, drop your pants in Copenhagen and take a shit in the middle of the street and see what happens to you.
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okay, so let's take a larger view of the situation, much, much, much more progressive policies are at work in Norway, Sweden, Finland, and a host of other countries, yet none of them have the same levels of crime per capita, homelessness per capita, or drug use, per capita, as any of the 'progressive' states in the USA.
Why is that? Is it because the progressive policies are so bad, but Europeans are smarter so don't have these issues? Probably not. Looking at IQ data from Europe, they're about like we are.
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That's not what's happened here, because none of the principals are actually progressives. And over a quarter of the homeless in SF are transplants, somehow it's always "you libruls" instead of not driving people into poverty and then subsequently driving them out of your state.
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because none of the principals are actually progressives
Umm Chesa Boudin and London Breed aren't progressive? I love how slippery progressives are with the truth. Just make up your own facts.
over a quarter of the homeless in SF are transplants
So 3/4 or local? Sounds about right for any homeless population anywhere. They move around.
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No more than you feel about all those shot up school kids.
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San Francisco's homicide rate is a lot less than many red state cities. Heck many republican mayored cities within California, like Stockton, have higher homicide rates too.
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