Question - Vivo x90 pro+ vs S23U | Page 11 | XDA Forums

extremecarver said:

Btw, another point that is rarely mentioned.. Vivo like I think most China phones skips having a barometer (or at least no normal app can access it should it have one).

Also the compass is horrible. I'm pretty sure that's why I sometimes have problems with navigation at slow speed. the compass is really bad. It's not the gps that's bad, but the acceleration sensors and compass....
I tried using the x90pp for Kitesurfing with the "surfr" app and it has horrible metrics on jumps in jacket mode. Any phone I used before is much better. Basically it's unusable for those.

Try using an app like peak finder that relies on exact compass and compare the results to an iphone. Basically peak Finder for me is unusable. I get 20-30° offset most of the time and the horizontal plane is also bad. Only had a chance to compare peak finder with my old galaxy S7, which worked pretty well but not as good as iphone. But yeah usable results...

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Dude why don't you sell your phone, you clearly hate it. From most of your posts, you've made the x90pp sound like the worst phone on the planet. This is a china only release so you should have known what you were getting into.

bmw320cd said:

x70 pro plus received the February 2023 patches a few days ago, I'm sure that on x90 PP they will arrive together with important software updates (including camera)

I hope not. Vivo should be able to go straight for March security updates. I guess in 5-6 days there will be the first quarterly Update in the trial channel with March security update.

The December patch came end of December I think. But really adding security patches should be an effort of some hours for a developer except if you need to dig some security holes up for spyware... Android is really modular by now. If Samsung can push that update within hours of google publishing it, can be expected by others to do it within a couple of days for current or last 2 years flagship devices. And no Vivo receives those things at the same time as Samsung, that is at least one month before it's included in the patches (except for actively exploited bugs that could be fixed as soon as possible) Only google software teams will very likely have access earlier.
And the thing is, as soon as those security updates are rolling and published including description there is a much higher chance of the bug to be exploited.
That's why manufacturers get access to them 1 month pre publication!
And that applies to Vivo/BBK too. Not Huawei anymore as they lost their certification. That's why it's really a shame if any Huawei device is updated quicker than the currently newest/most expensive BBK flagship (candybar not foldable).


And yeah I never had my phone hacked so far, but once my sever fully ransomware encrypted because I had setup windows updates to be installed 7 days delayed... (5 days past update Tuesday my remote desktop access got hacked). Any device that is connected to the internet simply needs to be updated quickly once updates are published. With android/linux it's harder than windows Server (yeah I also use Linux servers, but I need one windows server for some work stuff and make damn sure I can quickly restore it should it get hacked because I don't trust Windows much at all). There really should not be any phone out there not updated within 1 month of the security update being published.

E.g. the March security patches have two critical level bugs on Qualcomm hardware. Critical means they can be exploited without physical access or interaction. I didn't look into them but it's highly likely those two bug apply to 8gen2 phones (too).

There is another huge advantage for s23U, and that is simply gcam. On x90pro+ gcam spits out horrible colors on the zoom lenses, and in general colors are very different from stock.

Now gcam s23U is way better imho than x90 pro plus stock camera. X90PP gcam is great, but it's a damn lottery if pics turn out well or not regarding color. Yeah and that applies or any gcam mod I tried.

Video anyhow is better on Samsung. With gcam on Samsung also being way better (as it gets default colors) the s23U is for me simply the way better photo camera too. With decent configs that exist for s23U any deeper comparison should be s23 gcam.vs x90 pro plus stock camera (as long as gcam is a lottery on colors). And then s23U is simply much much better..... Also preview on x90pro plus gcam is bad, because colors are very different from what you will get jn the picture.

And yeah for me it's jpg that's counts. Cannot be bothered to shoot raw.


The above comparison is stupid, that person doesn't know what he is doing it is doing it wrong on purpose! Because no one in a sane mind uses 200MP mode indoors then complains it isn't better. 200MP mode is for very good outdoors only light. 50MP needs good light. But then 50MP mode vs gcam usually still loses, so why bother?

That's actually one point why for quite many Xiaomi 10 ultra is still the best camera phone. It's the only phone really putting everything it has into camera2 not a crippled version like vivo or a little bit better like Samsung. Xiaomi 11-13 isn't as good anymore, but still offers better camera2 support vs both vivo and Samsung. Yeah Huawei/honor so far also disappoints with camera2.

I think I will wait for pixel 8. It's pretty sure it will be based on Samsung 3nm which would mean great battery life too. And that's the only real thing which makes pixel7pro impossible for me.

If you charge your phone before going to bed then unplug you may have 0% .

(Not that this is anyway correct but the calibration off the battery is was off. 60% is the actual 50%.... And that is clearly on purpose in order to score better on reviews like Chinas most popular reviewer XiaoBai.)

Yes huge problem if you have another Bluetooth device coupled like a Garmin smartwatch. Then cannot use external speakers before disconnecting the watch. The vivo mistakes the watch as a speaker even though it correctly announces it isn't. Cannot connect to any home equipment like echo or Sonos while having the watch connected. If you connect several speakers no way to set a preference that I found.