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Propellantless System For Satellites Will Get Tested In Space - Slashdot

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Propellantless System For Satellites Will Get Tested In Space

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Longtime Slashdot reader drwho writes: A new type of propulsion system which uses no propellant, but rather only electricity, will be tested in a satellite to be launched from June 10's Falcon 9 launch. The IVO Quantum Drive utilizes an alternative theory of inertia known as "Quantum Inertia' by its originator Prof. Mike McCullough of U. Plymouth, which seeks to reconcile General Relativity (GR) with Quantum Field Theory (QFT). If successful, this would herald in a new era not only in satellite technology but in space travel as a whole. See this article for more details.

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  • I remember all the slashdot shouts of, "that's impwossssuble!!!" when this technology was first announced.

    Pro-tip: Your high school physics class didn't teach you physics, it was just college prep.

    Addition tip, FREE: If it doesn't have propellant, it isn't a rocket, and none of the rocket formulas matter. They don't "prove" it to be unpwossuble.

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      It does not work, it will not work, and that's nothing to do with the rocket formula.
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        Just like the same company's wireless power did not work and could not work and that's nothing to do with the rocket formula.
        Do you see a pattern?

        https://www.ahedc.com/newsroom/ivo-ltd/
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          The link you posted from Alleghany Highlands Economic Development Corporation (really?, is this a joke?) had nothing to do with your claim about some prior failed technology. It was just a reposting, of a reposting (from news.yahoo.com) of an article from Globe News Wire???

          So, yeah you gonna need to work on those citations.

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            Apart from it being an interview with a man pushing wireless power nonsense who just happens to be the CEO of IVO, the company pushing this EM drive nonsense?

            So, yeah you gonna need to work on those reading skills.
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      Pro-tip: Your high school physics class didn't teach you physics,

      Well, it didn't seem to teach you much of anything.

      Addition tip, FREE: If it doesn't have propellant, it isn't a rocket, and none of the rocket formulas matter.

      I love this! Your lack of understanding of the problems has made you invent a wildly strange straw man argument against this for you to fearlessly chop down. The real problem is reactionless thrust ends up being equivalent to a perpetual motion machine because the things like energy an

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      Just because someone announced he's going to launch into space something that didn't work on earth doesn't mean it works or that something thought impossible is now possible.

      Absolutely. Which is why I recall the Slashdot story as well as the follow-ups being full of links to actual physicists discussing theory who among other things built "working" prototypes which showed they didn't actually work at all.

      You on the other hand appear to have learnt everything you know about physics in theology class.

  • But does it have NFTs?

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      It must have NFTs otherwise it wouldn't have been posted on Slashdot, duh.

      Oh wait, it might be information about who is not going to be manufacturing a new Apple product.
  • Propellantless space propulsion systems, also known as reactionless drives, are theoretical propulsion systems that don't rely on the principle of action and reaction (Newton's third law) to generate thrust. These systems operate by interacting with the fabric of space-time itself, exploiting various physical phenomena such as the Casimir effect, the zero-point energy of the vacuum, and others.

    There are several proposed propellantless propulsion systems, each with its own unique mechanisms and principles. H

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      Don't forget the Helical Engine [nasa.gov], while being a thought experiment, does coin an awesome phrase, "Relativistic Momentum Transfer Model" to describe what is essentially a space rated synchotron

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      Please stop posting ChatGPT garbage in an effort to get us to somehow accept its training data. We can read the literature ourselves before reading its demented take on anything.

  • If it fails, scientists can rest easy that the laws of physics don’t need to be revised. If it succeeds, it will open the door to tremendous opportunities. Ultimately, it seems fair to say that everyone (pro or con) is excited to see what comes of it!

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      Doesn't seem all that fair to me. I'm pretty sure most people with some background in physics are pretty relaxed about this, if they have bothered to take any note at all beyond shrugging it off as the latest miracle drive.

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        Certainly not fair to the fools who got hoodwinked paying for it. But it's not the first time money was put into something that obviously won't work.

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      If it fails, scientists can rest easy that the laws of physics donâ(TM)t need to be revised. If it succeeds, it will open the door to tremendous opportunities. Ultimately, it seems fair to say that everyone (pro or con) is excited to see what comes of it!

      You could say exactly the same about a claimed perpetual motion machine too. No one's excited about the latest perpetual motion machine because we all know they're bullshit.

      Oh and speaking of perpetual motion: given a working reactionless thruster, you

  • No detectable thrust in controlled tests? Or was that something else.

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      And how much do people still spend on homeopathy?

      Total, abject failure to work doesn't mean there isn't a whole lot of money to be made.
  • but it is in fact possible to make a propellant-less satellite without violating the laws of physics. The keyword here is satellite - and specifically Earth's satellite.

    You need propellant to create a reaction force if you have nothing to push against. Around the Earth, you can use the Earth's magnetic field to "push against the Earth" so-to-speak.

    In fact, it's so not new that satellites already use this principle, and have been for a long time. It's called a Magnetic torquer [wikipedia.org]. It's used to control a satelli


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