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I'd offer gig workers loans to buy new EVs with extremely predatory terms. Make lots of money and save the environment.
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and maybe an good injury lawyer can get the bank / uber to pay after an driver on an 20 hour shift falls an sleep at the wheel.
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You're not thinking nearly evil enough. You rent the cars to them with the rent to own structure that makes them feel like they are buying something for a business when in fact they're just going further in debt. That's how the trucking industry does it.
John Oliver has a bit about it. He had a guy on who got a check for 27 cents or so that was for like 100 hours of work.
What I wish I could get people to understand is that when they finish screwing over low-level workers like drivers they're coming f-
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To be fair, "comply with this regulation, we don't care if you can't afford it" is a common trope on both sides of the aisle.
On the Right, it's usually healthcare, housing, childcare, and higher education. On the Left, it's environmental/efficiency standards, and cost of labor if you're a business owner. Pick your poison.
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It's a boon for the owners of taxi medallions. They'll get to see their value go over $1 million again.
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NYC population is still growing year over year, it grew 0.23% from 2021 to 2022 and is projected to keep growing well into 2030.
NYC GDP is expected to grow in that timeframe as well
NYC is the safest large city in America, they have a police force larger than most armies.
NYC is highly vaccinated and while most people who don't live there had issue with the lockdowns for the most part the residents supported the safety measures and for being the epicenter of the start of the pandemic NYC has done a very good
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Wait, why is this cringe virtue signaling? Besides contributing to global CO2 emissions, dense areas have a real, localized problem with air quality and having a little smoke stacks coming out the back of each of tens of thousands of passenger car around the city doesn't help. ICE vehicles also don't have regenerative braking, which is makes no sense in a place where traffic is notoriously stop-and-go.
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Don't they already do that? My last Uber driver, back to the airport leaving re:Invent, told me that Uber wanted drivers to lease Teslas for $500/week from them. There were _tons_ of Uber Teslas there, so it seems believable.
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You think full-time gig workers earn enough to afford a brand new BEV? That's the best laugh I've had all day.
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by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:25PM (#63243195)
Their entire business model is built on shifting those costs on the people who can't afford them. I once heard somebody call Uber a payday loan where the interest is the mileage on your car. Every driver I've had when I was using the service has been someone recently laid off or someone who took a huge pay cut and was desperately trying to scrape together rent money.
I guess maybe New York has replaced large numbers of taxi cab drivers with Uber drivers and maybe they've got enough people doing it professionally. If that's the case they should be employees. You can't even make the pathetic excuse that they are gig workers at that point. Never mind the fact that even if it's gig work it's still a core business Uber requires to operate and fails the IRS test for a contractor. But it's not a law if it's not enforced right?
What I see is these costs being shifted on the people who can't afford it and a lot more homelessness and people living out of their cars. That's a recipe for a whole shitload of social instability. The kind that causes mass shootings and increased crime rates. Of course the politicians can use that to their advantage too-
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Not to be too cold about the whole thing, but if somebody gets into this situation, they've made terrible choices. It's different than having a vehicle and making use of it, and discovering it's not a lot of money. A calculator and 10 minutes of thinking should tell them not to start.
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Doesn't take much for everything to go to shit in America. You're one illness away from ruin in this country. If it strikes while you're in college you're boned. And if you haven't figured out what you're going to do for the rest of your life by the time you're 16 (Junior in high school) you're also boned unless you're parents are well enough to do to cover for you. You won't be able to secure funding for college. And no college degree means you're again, pretty much boned.
You don't have enough stabilit-
I did not intend the post in the manner it was received. I only was talking about the decision to buy a brand new EV in order to be an Uber driver. Why they need the income is a whole other category, and it's immensely complicated. I bear no prejudices against people in tough economic circumstances - I've been there before, and who knows? I might be there again.
But a quick calculation of "projected ride income - (vehicle payments + operating expenses + taxes) = grossly simplified income" MUST be done. And i
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Pretty much the definition of going into business for yourself is looking at the statistic of how many entrepreneurships fail, and disregarding it.
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It's financed, often rented from Uber itself (see reference below). You don't say the FedEx delivery guy is getting paid too much because he pulls up in a fancy truck?
Reference: https://www.uber.com/us/en/dri... [uber.com]
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Their "model" is just making the most money they can in terms of price per ride and volume of rides. Contracting with people willing to work for cheap is necessary to be competitive with ride companies doing the same.
But if the government comes in and says "cheap rides in gas powered cars are illegal" that is fantastic news for all the ride sharing companies. They don't have to worry about a competitor undercutting them because the competitor is beholden to the same law. And as prices get driven up 25% cut
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Every driver I've had when I was using the service has been someone recently laid off or someone who took a huge pay cut and was desperately trying to scrape together rent money.
Pretty much everyone I've ever met in an Uber was just doing it for a little side cash.
It certainly wasn't their main job.
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My partner did the gig economy thing full time for about a year, pre-pandemic. It was only slightly profitable after factoring in for gas and wear and tear on the car, which thankfully was a paid off economy hatchback.
If I didn't do the maintenance and repairs on the car for him, gig work wouldn't have been profitable at all. Mechanics not be cheap, yo.
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and that won't happen. I got in with a 100,000+ mile car at the exact limit 4 years ago with a 2007 car. It's still grandfathered in. It is the ONLY way to make a profit and I barely do. Now that I'm back working in IT, I don't actually drive for them currently but my account is open. Everyone else with 2015 or so cars drives for a year, realizes what maintenance and depreciation did, and realizes they make a dollar an hour after tires, oil, etc.
Now try that situation with $70,000+ electric cars, which ru-
In order words, expect Uber and Lyft rates to double in order to convince people who can actually afford an EV to use them as a taxi.
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An EV will definitely save on energy expenses. Regardless of whether the electricity was made by noxious radioactive coal, you will save on money on fueling. Cost per mile will decrease a lot, the cost of financing the vehicle itself will be higher no doubt.. but the cost of operating it will definitely drop (unless you get unlucky on the repairs front).
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And Uber/Lyft drivers will be losing money sidelined for 30-50+ minutes every time they have to stop and charge back up...if they can find a charger.
Hopefully they'll have more by then for the public, but still, the length of time taken to charge takes those drivers offline and they're missing out on jobs.
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Charge up before you start your shift it should be enough to last to the end (or at least a lunch break if you're really pushing it).
Aside from that fuel costs and maintenance costs are both way lower with an EV. By 2030 I doubt any serious cabbie is going to be driving a non-EV.
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I can see why you'd fall into the money trap -- you also failed on EVs.
30% drop in grid delivery but your failure is that ICE cars are more heater than transportation and drop at least 60% of their power and there is nothing one can do to fix that unlike the power grid... where a simple regulation can improve your coal plant (depending on how unregulated and corrupt your state currently is) while other cleaner stuff comes online over time.
There are also EVs in the $30-40k range and used ones are very cheap
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Can I assume that all the taxis and limousines will also be electric by the same deadline and NYC isn't singling out individual companies for discriminatory treatment? They wouldn't do that, would they? That would be unethical and I can't imagine NYC doing anything unethical.
That'll be cool. I'd expect the owners of all those beat up taxis and expensive limousines to object, but I'm sure NYC will prioritize climate over business interests.
I wonder if NYC will become less filthy. Probably not, the tire dust
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The purpose of this legislation is to reduce the traffic from Uber and Lyft vehicles which are clogging streets and, as an added benefit, help reduce emissions...
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This is just awful journalism.
It reads as if NYC is targetting a law at two companies by name.
Whereas the last paragraph states it correctly - "ridehail vehicles" must be zero emission by 2030.
FFS, Msmash, DO YOUR JOB. -
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Heh. Welp, I'll give you credit: "electric-washing" is a lot easier to remember than the actual details.
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My rule of thumb on political promises is that it won't happen if the person making the promise will not be in office at the time the promise is supposed to come to completion. The mayor took office in 2022, has a term of four years, and is allowed one re-election term.
The thing is that it would be all too easy to blame any failure to fulfill the promise on legislative failures, state government intervention, or any of a number of things that could happen in the next eight years. The biggest problem, as p
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