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It would be somewhat hilarious if communist China managed to become a democracy while here in America we turned into a dictatorship. I mean we came damn close to it just a few years ago. I think we got a reprieve this last election but we still have a lot of work to do if we don't want to be praising dear leader in 2 years
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No we didn't. Never in the history of this country have we ever been close to a dictatorship. It would probably be best if you boned up on your history and learn what a real dictatorship is. A dictatorship is not just having someone in office that you do not like.
Correct: a dictatorship is when the person in power rejects the results of an election to stay in power.
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Nope, not even close. Any one can reject the results of an election, even the one in power. Your 'opinion' that you won the election doesn't mean you won the election. Just ask Stacy Abrams.
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Correct: a dictatorship is when the person in power rejects the results of an election to stay in power.
Nope, not even close. Any one can reject the results of an election, even the one in power. Your 'opinion' that you won the election doesn't mean you won the election. Just ask Stacy Abrams.
In this case, though, it wasn't merely "an opinion." It was an attempt to declare the election invalid so he could stay in power.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0... [nytimes.com]
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30... [cnn.com]
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/15... [npr.org]
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/p... [pbs.org]The first thing a dictator does, to cement their power, is declare any election that they didn't win invalid.
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Well first of all we are going to reject your link to cnn since it has been ruled as a unreliable source. Please correct this behavior in the future.
Since the TDS is so strong in you we will humor your issues. It was his 'option' and just his 'option.' If it wasn't just his 'option' then he would still be in power. Again, no matter what your delusion is, the US has never been even close to a dictatorship.
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That wasn't a creative dodge at all.
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That's why I gave four links, not just one, because the wing nut response to any actual facts is to ignore the facts and just shout "I reject your source!" (without, of course, showing any evidence of reading the source.)
Multiple sources doesn't stop the wing nuts, but at least they have to admit that they're denying anything and everything the doesn't fit their views, not one "unreliable" source.
Here's another good article, laying out all the facets of Trump's election denying starting before the electio
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Thankfully we have the Electoral College system.
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Trump lost even more conclusively without it, so there's no reason to be thankful for the boot you're licking.
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Your seething is going to be even more hilarious when he's your president again.
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But he didn't say anyone now did he? He was talking about the 'person in power' refusing to acknowledge the fact that he has been voted out of power and attempting to set aside and ignore election result in order to stay in power. That is literally a pretty common way dictatorships have started int he past.
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A banana republic, aka a dictatorship, gets the media to spend years ganging up against a duly elected leader pushing false narratives that could have easily been discredited with even the most trivial amount of investigative journalism in order to unseat him. While nothing in the polling supported the idea that Trump won, nothing in the past 5 years of what was published by the press supported the idea that the public wasn't manipulated to vote him out. It's ok to have partisan media outlets, but they need
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That isn't even true. A dictatorship is where the leader (and sometimes the inner circle or "party") have full control of government with few or any limits on what they can do. It means there are no checks and balances. They do not worry about courts adjudicating the constitutionality of orders, they don't need a congress or parliament to create laws.
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Exactly. Like, declaring themselves in power despite losing an election.
Exactly. For example, refusing to abide by the check on power produced by an election.
Exactly. And they don't need elections, either; they just wave them away.
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Good to see that you finally understand and since none of that happened or even almost happened, then you can stop blathering as if it did.
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Even almost happened?
Respectfully, you have no fucking clue how close we got to that happening.
What is beyond debate, is that we got closer than we've ever gotten before, and there are a few discrete actions by a few people that pulled us away from turning into a 2 branch government.
Any such threat against the government of the US is a threat against the entire fucking country..
I've always been very sharply critical of fuckwits who go around calling people traitors for being of a political slant they
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You write like if Trump had just sat in the oval office and said "no" everybody would have just gone away and accepted it. If that is what you think I don't believe there is any reasoning with you. And you still don't seem to understand the definition of dictatorship in spite of my efforts, so good day.
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Don't be deliberately ignorant. He made multiple assaults on the electoral system, starting with the simple ones (telling the Republican Secretary of State of Georgia "Just 'find' 11,780 more votes".) When these didn't work, the final approach was a lot more complicated than "sitting in the oval office and saying 'no';" it involved first stopping the electoral count, and then substituting appointed electors for the ones actually elected. But since you don't want to believe that it even happened, it's not g
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See comment 320955, another way to establish a dictatorship.
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They can reject the results as much as they want and for ever reason they want. For it to be a dictatorship they actually have to stay in power irrelevant of what the people want. That was unlikely to happen, its like if I broke into my companies CEO office, sat in their chair and claimed to run the company. Nobody would listen to me, and the most likely outcome is I would get fired, maybe arrested. But at no point was it likely that I would overthrow the CEO. For Trump to be a dictator he would need contro
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He failed. But he tried. You have a belief that oh, he couldn't possibly have succeeded. Maybe you're right. Or maybe not.
Fortunately we didn't find out. Mike Pence-- the person everybody had dismissed as just a lackey-- stood up and said "no, I won't go overturn the election".
Irrelevant. Trump didn't "break into" the executive office, "pretend" to be president and "claim" to run the country. He was president.
Nobody listens to you, but far too many people listened to Trump.
Well, there is the one he was com
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Oath keeper found guilty of sedition.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]
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They obviously weren't implying that.
They were referring to if the Jan 6 events had been successful in installing Trump as the President.
That would be the effective end of an independent legislative branch of the US, and an effective dictatorship.
How close were they to that outcome? I say probably not very. But the leader of the Oath Keepers just went down for Seditious Conspiracy, so still closer than anyone likes to imagine.-
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The leader of the Oath Keepers just went down for Seditious Conspiracy.
A man has been convicted in a court of law of organizing a conspiracy to violently overthrow the government of the United States on January 6.But let's humor you and say it was. Even if it managed to stop the vote count it was no way even close to overturning the republic. All that would have happened is the "insurrectionists" would have delayed the process for a few hours at most. They would have been removed, and the certification would have continued.
Entirely possible that's the case. I'd even argue likely.
But not certain.
It's easy to imagine that if Trump had just a bit more balls, and could pull himself away from the TV, he could have prevented those around him from trying to prevent the overthrow of the US legislature.
The US legislature has no way to defend itself other than the Capitol police. The defense of the building and governmental organ is the responsibility of the executive branch, which at the time, didn't seem interested in assisting.Wait! That is exactly what happened.
Thanks to the intervention of a few people with balls. If those few people had instead decided to continue to prevent execution of power that was able to intervene, it would have been a done deal.
Had the National Guard not been ordered to respond by the Secretary of the DoD, who failing to get authorization from the President, managed to get it from the Vice President, who exactly do you think would have re-taken the Capitol?
The Congress, which had been temporarily dissolved?
From bullshit like this arises constitutional crises. Constitutional crises are the cracks from which governments are overthrown.
We were unacceptably close to the Legislature of the US being compromised through Executive inaction, and people pushed forward by the Executive.
Fuck you for trying to belittle how fucking dangerous that is.
Fuck you for trying to pretend like there's fucking precedent for that.
Fuck your naivety for thinking that the fragile web of Federal power is immune to the compromise of the only branch empowered to protect it.I think we are done here. I see no reason to continue to humor anyone who thinks Trump could have become a dictator, wanted to be dictator, or the republic was in any danger at all.
Be done all you like. The courts disagree with you, and for good reason. Because you're deluded.
You don't want it to be true, so you're willing to sacrifice any intellectual honesty to make it consistent in your head. That level of cognitive dissonance has got to be fucking you up.-
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Lunatic conspiracy theories and rambling deleted without reading.
Wow. You really need help don't you. I didn't read any of that shit you wrote and I'm not going too.
Here is the facts and what happened. There was a incident on Jan 6th that temporary delayed with the exchange of power. That incident was dealt with, and the change of power continued. To which, better or worse, we now have Joe Biden in the office. There was NEVER a danger of the US government being over thrown.
Now then. With that establis
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Is that a Trump brand crystal ball you are looking at to make this prediction of what could have happened? It certainly appears that some of the individuals that were at the Capitol that day had every intention of violence towards the members of congress that were assembled there. Use your scrying power and say what would have happened if a significant number of representatives had been killed that day.
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More poppy cock and delusions. The events on Jan 6 have been blown way out of proportion. There are people out there that actually believe that was some kind of insurrection.
But let's humor you and say it was. Even if it managed to stop the vote count it was no way even close to overturning the republic. All that would have happened is the "insurrectionists" would have delayed the process for a few hours at most. They would have been removed, and the certification would have continued.
Wait! That is ex
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See comment 320955. There's more than one way to overthrow a President you don't like.
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Reposted to counter mod abuse.
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