Musk Widely Expected To Unveil Humanoid Robot Optimus at Tesla's AI Day Later To...
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Musk Widely Expected To Unveil Humanoid Robot Optimus at Tesla's AI Day Later Today
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5 years ago he promised a semi-
https://electrek.co/2022/09/26/tesla-semi-electric-trucks-spotted-shipped-ahead-deliveries/
You mean these ones?-
1) They're on a flatbed
2) They were supposed to be delivered in 2019-
COVID provides a convenient excuse here, so this one doesn't sound as good as the usual "Musk is a bullshit artist, WAKE UP SHEEPLE, Musk failed, AGAIN!". Sure he overpromises and underdelivers (the pricing shaenigans on Tesla website are bordering on scam sometimes). But who gives a shit, when whatever gets underdelivered is way ahead of the competition anyway. As a marketing strategy, it's certainly working well for him.
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Yeah it really is working out isn't it.Really it is. [bing.com]
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It really does [yhoo.it]. If I were to criticize something market wise, it's this new brand of insider trading one can do with a single tweet. For instance, saying that your own stock is massively overvalued (which it is, by all reasonable market measures).
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For one, the Semis would take 10x the batteries of a Model 3, and with demand for passenger BEVs. So, it makes sense that they would run hard with production into those vehicles rather than disappointing retail customers. They probably provide higher margin, and those manufacturing lines are already expensed and operational. So, if you were a stock holder, you would want them to leverage existing production capabilities to maximize returns on the limited number of batteries they have, rather than spend more
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Sure he overpromises and underdelivers (the pricing shaenigans on Tesla website are bordering on scam sometimes). But who gives a shit, when whatever gets underdelivered is way ahead of the competition anyway.
The consumer should give a shit. These premature announcements have the effect of freezing out the potential competitors in the market. And that's why he does it. Consider an independent startup like Rivian. Coming out of nowhere, they had a steep hill to climb developing the product technologies, the
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Not only are they on flatbeds, they are stated as going to be used.. by Tesla themselves. They aren't shipping to paying customers still yet.
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> All windows occluded so a driver can't see where they're going: check.
And those trash bags taped on the windows make me wonder if what they're hiding is, maybe not what's there, but what isn't in there.
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You mean those semis that are NOT code-named "Optimus" despite that code-name quite obviously being more suited for a semi truck versus a mere android?
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You mean those semis that are NOT code-named "Optimus" despite that code-name quite obviously being more suited for a semi truck versus a mere android?
Given the name Optimus, it could be both a semi AND a humanoid robot!.
The first ones will be sent to customers of Amazon Prime, of course. This batch will be known as...
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> Given the name Optimus, it could be both a semi
> AND a humanoid robot!.Only if the humanoid robot is 30 feet tall.;-P
For an human-sized 'bot, it would be more appropriately code-named "Data" or "Valentine" or "Kusanagi".:)
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The verdict on Musk depends mainly on whether you measure his accomplishments relative to others, or relative to his own unrealistic goals.
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This is why telling kids "you can't be a cosmonaut" is a bad idea.
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"This is why telling kids "you can't be a cosmonaut" is a bad idea."
Because the kids only speak Russian?
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>Because the kids only speak Russian?
That's the least of it. For US kids, war and sanctions are in the way, obviously.
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by Lohrno ( 670867 ) on Friday September 30, 2022 @02:40PM (#62927425)
Nah, I just have mixed feelings because I do give credit for some of what he has accomplished but also his shitty business practices with Tesla, shitty politics and misinformation spreading and him doubling down on on things that won't work.
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by muh_freeze_peach ( 9622152 ) on Friday September 30, 2022 @02:56PM (#62927481)
he, as in, himself, hasn't done jack shit. he hires smart people.-
Look at that, you only wrote one line and yet managed to contradict yourself. Hiring smart people is the number one most effective way to get large amounts of stuff done. Far more effective than trying to do it all yourself. It's also something that an amazingly large percentage of people are awful at.
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Then claims credit for their work. Do Musk fanboys seriously think a guy with an undergraduate degree in economics and physics is actually designing rockets or cars or robots?
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> doubling down on on things that won't work.
Nonsense like hyperloop are more about personal brand building. The whole "say something ridiculous to rouse crowds of terminally online people who feel the need to correct the record" is twitter marketing 101 - just poke useful idiots to give you the spotlight, free of charge. Unfortunately leaking even into Slashdot and HN discussions.It's even in the name itself. The brand of tesla 100 years ago too was a lot of stuff *way* ahead of competition. And also a
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It's not even brand building, he admitted he did it to sabotage the high speed rail project in California.
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Yes, fully functional.
It's going to be a dude in a suit.
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But is it programmed in multiple techniques?
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"But is it programmed in multiple techniques?"
Amazon has fucking machines aplenty.
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Well, sure, but they don't cuddle with you afterwards... or even sit on your lap and purr.
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LAWL! brilliant! (out of mod points)
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Guarantee it's either (a) a guy in a suit again, or (b) a REALLY unimpressive humanoid robot that doesn't really do much. Musk is famous for overpromising and underdelivering.
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If it's capable of bipedal locomotion, even janky locomotion, even on a flat stage, it'd be a triumph. Anything beyond that would be icing on the cake. Other companies have spent upwards of a decade to achieve bipedal locomotion over complex terrain. To get as far as walking across a stage in barely a year would be amazing work.
Having said that, I don't think I'm willing to bet that Optimus will be able to achieve even janky bipedal locomotion. Given how long it took for ATLAS to get any good at it, and
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Have you just stepped out of the 2000s? Boston Dynamics have had 2 legged robots *running* for years, never mind walking on a flat stage. I suggest you go check out their youtube channel.
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In other words, you would consider it a triumph if his robot had a small fraction of the capability of what many other robots can already deliver?
Remember, he had the benefit of all their previous R&D going into this project. With all the hype and resources of Tesla he better have something that moves things forward.
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"If it's capable of bipedal locomotion, even janky locomotion, even on a flat stage, it'd be a triumph."
Why? Other developers developed bipedal locomotion-capable robots more than 10 years ago. You don't just start from scratch -- they have the benefit of years of work.
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Aw man, this thing starts at 17:00 PT which is midnight UTC. I want to be heckling the live stream from the peanut gallery, but can I be bothered to stay up for it? I *do* love watching Musk make a fool of himself...
Worth remembering that previous Tesla "days" have shown off apparently amazing video of self driving cars, only for Musk to admit years later that the feature is still many years away from roll out. If it's not a guy in spandex then the demo will be under carefully controlled conditions.
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>The answer is that he borrows money from Tesla without taking a salary from his own company. Through stock options, Musk takes out loans against his company’s shares to fund his Tesla projects, which he does not owe income taxes for, and also deducts some of the interest on those loans on his taxes.
Oh so he pays taxes when he owes them. Got it.
And in 2021 he paid $15B in taxes due to a massive stock selloff. https://twitter.com/i/events/1... [twitter.com] Why didn't you mention that? $15B in 1 year is more than most of the population will pay in their lifetimes, combined.
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And in 2021 he paid $15B in taxes due to a massive stock selloff. https://twitter.com/i/events/1... [twitter.com] Why didn't you mention that? $15B in 1 year is more than most of the population will pay in their lifetimes, combined.
Note that Elon Musk's net worth is $263 billion. $15B, or 5.7 percent of his net worth, is not a large tax burden, considering that he made 200 Billion Dollars [ibtimes.com] during the two years of the COVID epidemic.
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>Note that Elon Musk's net worth is $263 billion. $15B, or 5.7 percent of his net worth, is not a large tax burden, considering that he made 200 Billion Dollars [ibtimes.com] during the two years of the COVID epidemic.
Why the hell would anyone pay taxes based on shares they have in companies? Owning something isn't a taxable event. Selling shares is a taxable event, and that applies to everyone in the country equally--and it's the entire basis for how every working person saves up and retires.
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You're right, owning something isn't a taxable event but that's not what Musk, along with other uber wealthy folks, is doing.
Instead of selling stock he takes a loan on it's value while using that same stock as collateral. This allows him to utilize the liquidity of the asset without having to pay taxes on the borrowed amount since it's accrued loan debt and not income. Except, unlike most loans, he has zero intention of paying it back and the bank knows this but they're okay with it since the collateral
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He didn't "make" that money. Net worth is theory, not reality. That valuation of his stock rose, which is decided by other people. He has even stated that he thinks the stock is overvalued. Until he sells stock and realizes a gain, he doesn't make money. He's explained this over and over again, but many people just don't seem to understand the difference.
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So he made that money convincing people that something was worth something more now, than it was in the past.
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My point is he didn't make that money at all.:)
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Yet the money went up?
Somebody did something somewhere and needs to be taxed/arrested for doing whatever it is that they are doing.-
Money didn't go anywhere. The theoretical value of stock went up. It could just as easily go back down before being sold for monetary gains. Why would someone need to be taxed when no exchange of money happening?
You do know that stocks != money, don't you?
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My net worth is infinite. I wrote some software and someone paid me for a copy, one of an unlimited supply. I paid about $50 in income tax on that.
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The difference is that when you're an ordinary worker, you get your salary, get taxed on that salary, invest the left over money, and then get taxed again when you sell.
When you own a substantial part of a company you principal basically grows tax free and you only get taxed when you sell.
There's good reasons why you don't tax company ownership (can't really value non-public companies) but maybe they can do something about the game where they simulate a high tax free income by borrowing against shares.
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If you did your research you'd find that Musk last year paid the highest tax payment that any human has ever made, in history. So start thinking for yourself, instead of repeating tired tribal political tropes.
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technically.
The reason billionaires generally don't pay a lot of income tax is that their wealth is usually in the form of shares of their company. Shares they haven't sold yet, so they are unrealized capital gains, in tax terms. The tax gets paid only when the shares are sold.
Unless you want to be taxed on stock you hold that has gone up but you haven't sold yet, it's pretty clueless to criticize the lack of taxation of unsold shares owned by billionaires. And what happens when the (unrealized) value of th-
No, if you didn't sell your stuff you shouldn't pay on it - but that's not what typically happens with the ultra wealthy.
They get around Capital Gains by borrowing against the value of their assets, allowing them to take on "debt" and use the tax shelters having debt provides while also allowing them to make use of the "income" provided by the loan. Then when they default on the loan, allowing the bank to keep the collateral assets, they get to write off the loss of potential asset income against their acc
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If you did your research you'd find that Musk last year paid the highest tax payment that any human has ever made, in history.
If you did your research you'd find that Musk last year made the highest amount of income that any human has ever made, in history. He made $158 billion dollars in 2021. That "highest tax payment in history" came out to 9.4% of the amount he made.
Yes, I am aware that this is because of the way that the US tax code is written, that his gains came in the form of increase in the value of his stock holdings, and the US tax code only taxed the value of the stock he sold. However, even it if did tax the gains, he would pay only 20% tax ("capital gains tax"). If he'd made the same amount by working, he would have paid 37% tax. The tax code is biased against work (and in favor of stock ownership).
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you are right, there shouldn't be any income taxes, divident taxes, capital gains taxes or any taxes related to work or investments and savings. Eventually this will happen again, taxes will be only applied to consumption and not to any form of production. Why are we taxing WORK as opposed to consumption, it is a perversion.
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Was this post intended to make any sense at all?
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of course, you are complaining that someone is paying a tax rate that may be different from yours, I am saying you shouldn't be paying taxes for doing work at all, nor should anyone else.
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That has what... exactly... to do with AI or robots?
If UBI or whatnot is mentioned anywhere in TFA, it's behind the WSJ paywall. I know this is yypical msmash dipshittery to only include paywalled links... but if you're a WSJ subscriber and posting on that basis, you should quote the appropriate passage from TFA.
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The article describes wealth management of anyone with a net worth of over $100M in assets the bank will accept as a collateral. Indeed this makes it largely impossible to "tax the rich" as individuals. It's why you tax the productive assets instead, ie corporate tax.
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I hate hate hate Elon Musk but I promise it has nothing to do with his exposure of Twitter as a leftist big tech fraud, it's because $(GENERIC_CRITICISM_THAT_APPLIES_TO_ANYONE)
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Cut out a man's tongue and you don't prove him a liar, only that you're afraid of what he has to say.
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The fuck are you talking about
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Not sure what you're thinking here. Elon Musk has 105 million followers on Twitter; he is not in any way having his "tongue cut out".
(that makes him #4 in the world in number of followers, slightly behind Katy Perry.)
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like the time he ruined a guys life by calling him pedo?
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He has more money than you do... he must smarter than you about some things.
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by mobby_6kl ( 668092 ) on Friday September 30, 2022 @03:25PM (#62927551)
He's smarter at scamming people than I am. That's a skill I never tried developing.
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we know you like con men, no need to say it more.
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Haha get real, slashdot tech bros and leftist tech bros have detested Musk for years because he's a con artist.
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Maybe just the hardware for parts of it.
Musk said this event is targeted at recruiting AI staff, rather than being a whizbang demo designed to impress the general public and financial media.
So it will probably impress detail-oriented people, who paid attention to the expectation setting, and disappoint everyone else.
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CherryBot will autonomously drive the car to work while simultaneously fucking you in the back seat. CherryBot will make sure the car is accelerating hard and the music is bumping when she gets you off. Thanks CherryBot, today is going to be a good day.
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If there's no shortage of labour because of robots, it all comes doen to Marx' old question about who owns the means of production. "Fixing" this with UBI is a path to a truly dystopian society; if your only way of obtaining a living is government handouts, you're basically a serf, with no way of escaping whatever way of living they choose to force upon you. At some point, part of that handout will come as payment in kind: less money in hand but government-provided housing which will be increasingly squal
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He is just some rich asshole with an ego the size of the sun.
Who care about humanoid robots. Those have been around for a while.
Musk need to be back into new tech.-
"Who care about humanoid robots. "
People of Solaria.
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I can't wait for him to demonstrate it dancing, where it executed a perfectly prepared crane kick that boots him directly in the balls. That's when he'll collect himself, stagger, and attempt to dance again, roughly when lefty takes another perfectly executed swing. That's when an iron ball will fall from the air and directly into the robot's face, shattering the breakproof lenses where its eyes would be located. Paramedics will rush out, checking his vitals. His appendages will be placed carefully into a cast and wrapped up.
"Preorders for $100", he'll groan out, before he's carried away on a stretcher and loaded into the back of a Tesla Cybertruck.
The tires on the Cybertruck will be flat, and it will be towed off stage.
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