LineageOS 19 releases based on Android 12 but devices with older kernels will lo...

Good to hear that they're still alive, although LineageOS stopped supporting my Samsung devices roughly 18 months after the devices were officially released. Oh well. Long live Android 5...

I guess LineageOS 18.1 is the end of the line for my Nexus 7 (2013) tablet. It still runs great, though, so I'm not tossing it any time soon.

The need is there, not as prevalent, yep, because many things that used to be found in custom ROMs only are now available by default; but there are a lot of things that custom ROMs bring to the table still, and I very much prefer having control over my device.

"Certification", be it SafetyNet or Samsung's KNOX, etc. as a requirement is something I don't agree with, nor that I like it's enforcement proliferating. There are no same requirements when things are accessed on desktops, why not on mobile too?

Banks have very well quantified damages and all due to fraud, stolen cards, etc. Just issue a waiver that if you use the app on a rooted system and it's determined that it being rooted is the cause of whatever misfortune happens, it's on you.

Searching for an app and not finding it because you're not on a certified device (user setting, not in a domain or part of a company with their policies) is bull.

On 26/04/2022 at 04:34 PM, KaoDome said:

The need is there, not as prevalent, yep, because many things that used to be found in custom ROMs only are now available by default; but there are a lot of things that custom ROMs bring to the table still, and I very much prefer having control over my device.

"Certification", be it SafetyNet or Samsung's KNOX, etc. as a requirement is something I don't agree with, nor that I like it's enforcement proliferating. There are no same requirements when things are accessed on desktops, why not on mobile too?

Banks have very well quantified damages and all due to fraud, stolen cards, etc. Just issue a waiver that if you use the app on a rooted system and it's determined that it being rooted is the cause of whatever misfortune happens, it's on you.

Searching for an app and not finding it because you're not on a certified device (user setting, not in a domain or part of a company with their policies) is bull.

The libertarian mindset (actions are permissible, liability is taken up via waivers) is insufficient for the risk mitigation requirements global financial systems and general chains of trust demands.

And banks would outsource the certification waiver processes, which is akin to liability insurance, and you'll end up being held liable for everything unless and until the firms fully accept liability. That's bad for consumer protection.

It's bad enough that certified devices are already spoofed and social engineering allows bad actors to walk away with BILLIONS of US Dollars' worth of assets annually... permitting uncertified devices to get exploited would simply increase the financial ramifications for everybody. If you think inflation is bad now, it'd be much worse (on a personal level) if uncertified devices were encouraged access.

BTW, certified terminals is a rather old security practice (risk mitigation tactic). With the amount of digital fraud occurring (evermore it seems) I cannot truly argue against the practice, either.

I've entirely lost trust in Android as a platform. LineageOS used to be "extended" support when official one was discontinued (which happened in 2 years in the past). Now so many apps are whining over unlocked bootloader and LineageOS dropping support for older devices to a point it's just pointless. I just can't understand why are all Android phone makers so rubbish with support. I want to get back to Android from iOS, but it's working so much better than Android it's hard to find a reason to go back.

On 26/04/2022 at 05:43 PM, RejZoR said:

I've entirely lost trust in Android as a platform. LineageOS used to be "extended" support when official one was discontinued (which happened in 2 years in the past). Now so many apps are whining over unlocked bootloader and LineageOS dropping support for older devices to a point it's just pointless. I just can't understand why are all Android phone makers so rubbish with support. I want to get back to Android from iOS, but it's working so much better than Android it's hard to find a reason to go back.

The manufacturers don't make enough money to warrant the work, as far as I've understood. Isn't that why they bundle other apps on the phone too?

Google and Apple make money from app purchases through their respective app stores. They have much more incentive to keeping support up (though Google's could still be better).

Google might do better to share some of that % if they don't already, especially for manufacturers that promise a minimum of 3 years support (preferably 5 years if they hope to keep up with Apple). Otherwise, I don't know how else they can hope to fix this. Google's ability to drive out good hardware has been mixed, which is disappointing because if I wanted to go back to Android, I'd want the stock experience. I have zero intention of picking up an Android phone that has manufacturer and carrier installed applications.

Stock proved itself back with Android 10 - therefore non-stock Android ROMs - including Lineage - have a tougher hill to climb. And not all carrier applications deserve the "bloat" tag - though some do - one application from a carrier that I run (deserve my not using the carrier that wrote it, amazingly) - is Verizon Message + - it is both my default messaging AND SMS application - it's on the Play Store. Google's own phones (back to the Nexus 6!) are supported by Lineage 19 - including every Pixel. Lineage 19 itself is based on Android 12 AOSP, and most non-stock ROMs will either base on it or Android 12L - or even both. (I ran 12L during the beta, and despite 12L being aimed at larger screens than Pixel 3a, I had no issues with it.)