Brilliant. Thank you

Great article. A lot of what you've written could apply to most cities.

I wish I had those insights when I visited LA

I honestly feel that what you say is true for anywhere on the planety, perhaps with the bit about needing a car....

I've lived in some very remote and some very populated places on this amazing planet., and, the advice for living in LA is exactly the same advice I give folks going anywhere be it London , Moscow, LA, Brussels or the outlands of Papua New Guinea.

People are people and thank God we are all diffierent, fascinating and well worth loving.

Geoffrey (currently in the Belgium outback!)

Holy moly! L.A. seams to be like Italy! :-)

I live in Santa Monica, work as a programmer in Hollywood, and go watch small theater productions in West Hollywood all the time. I can definitely relate!

When I visit new places I prefer to explore neighbourhoods over visiting tourists attractions, so this is a great perspective that can apply for visitors as well. I'm going to be in LA for 3 weeks this summer so I'm bookmarking this.

I love the approach! So true about the sincere optimism. We really do care =)

Do you think that "Who you know" applies to most every city, too? :-) People in California are really nice and love to reciprocate. New York may be a little more brutal, but people in California are genuinely kind, compassionate and even more patient.

Derek: I lived 20 years in LA - 1982-2002, and your observations are consistent with my experience, though my experience was not so much in the entertainment business you are talking about, but more as a journeyman musician and trial attorney working for LA County. I read your article because my younger daughter, born and raised in LA, and since 2002 growing up in Santa Barbara, just got accepted to the USC Theatre program, but also to Columbia and Carnegie-Mellon. I would sure like her to stay closer to home than NYC or Pittsburgh, so I'll forward the article to her. Thanks. John Douglas (Stephanie's friend/accompanist)
PS: always good to hear someone quote Kurt Vonnegut - the Mark Twain of our time.

Was wondering where you have been great to know your still blessing the world (:

Thanks for this article, really useful. Personally I don't see myself living that kind of life, life's hard enough as it is, I value "real" people living in the real world as opposed to living a "la la land" where it's all about the person...

Just my opinion. Geoffrey I strongly disagree with your statement that "it could be anywhere in the world" and I too am a world citizen, of African origin, went to school in the UK, studied in Rome for a while, (currently live in Brussels-not too far from where you are me thinks), married a Brit, have 5 siblings on four different continents, with spouses from all over the world.

LA is a very different beast altogether.

Thank you for the article.

Sasha

hey Derek - great to hear your thoughts on any aspect of life.

The Blue Mountains in Oz has a series of small towns strung together, draped over the ridges and fanning out on either side of the main road for - say, no more than five kms - and which then lead down to the greater Sydney basin. Every one of these towns and villages has a separate character. You'd miss Wentworth Falls lake - more like a very large and attractive puddle - if you never got off the highway.
The Gaza Strip, and its few millions would fit into this strip of land in which about 80,000 now reside.
Life is a strange fruit.
Glad to know you're still alive and kicking :)

Until now, I hadn't thought about moving to Los Angeles but I always take your advice very seriously, Derek. Am in Perth, Western Australia for now, but am open to the next adventure! I guess we'll have to wait and see. Thanks for sharing the article.

Some Italians friends of mine visited LA and they didn't like it because as you have just written:

"for tax reasons they drew a circle around about 30 small towns and decided to call it Los Angeles. "

They liked much more American cities like San Francisco, New York and Boston which have their own particular identities!!

Apart from that, they liked very much small cities along the coast and within the country!!

They told me: "That's real America! Not big cities!"

QUESTION:

What do you think about it?

Is it true that real America can only be found in small cities along the coast and within the country?

Let me know if you feel like!

All the best!

Fab, greetings from Italy.
Exactly: seems most people don't like LA because it's not “a real city”. And yeah, it's all real America. Florida, Seattle, Maine, New Mexico, Texas, New York, Nebraska. The variety defines it. No one place is “the real America”. — Derek

As a guy who's been applying to engineering jobs in LA (as well as other cities all over the country), I appreciate being told what to expect! I had no idea the city was not really one; it makes me think of south Florida, except probably with a lot more traffic.

Thanks for sharing!

Just forwarded to a British friend moving out there, thank you, I am sure it will serve him well. I must add, I am currently in Bogota, Colombia - could almost fit you advice to the letter here too.

I think your review LA is way too optimistic !

Fine summary, valuable notes. Highly accurate.

I would add that within to the optimism theme is the fact that every other person appears to believe that they "are" a writer, or film producer (often!), or actor, or company founder and seem to travel around as if with a mental brief case full of samples of the things they intend, wish and hope they will achieve - often the words "I will be" are substituted for the words "I am" a little before their time !
Ha! Great point! Yes. Totally agree. — Derek

Hey Derek
I lived a few years in LA 30 years ago, on Hollywood Blvd and Yucah St. right near the school where i was enrolled in studying music.

Many of us musicians, wherever we are, don't do much besides making music and eating.. l met lots of great musicians in LA, today there are tons more of musicians everywhere on the planet, i am only allowing myself to speak on behalf of all the musicians i know in the US, France and Israel: wherever we are we are pretty much all the same.

Hope you feel good
Hanging in there
JC

Spot on Derek, Glass always full ( no even half in LA)

Of course a lot of lost time happens in LA and most ideas or deals when not followed up can be very frustrating but if you have great stuff it will happen anyway and you then fuel the "That was mine" myths that follow Hits!!!

More please and best

Brian
METROPHONIC

I believe it would be healthy to think about all aspects of life everywhere on the planet this way. Improvise, adapt, and overcome. Be open, take in and learn every culture possible. Same would go for any kind of global business. - Making entertainment global - it sure seems to work for LA. - Just keep in mind with such a large area and concentration of music/entertainment there - it is very competitive. To make a dent in it you really need to have your chops down and a great presentation for good first impressions.

I lived and worked in Southern California for over a decade, and during that time also worked in San Francisco at times. I've also lived in Minneapolis, Chicago and quite a few smaller cities (currently Asheville, North Carolina). A lot of the comments have said that the statements about LA are true of most cities, and to some extent they are - yup, every city I've lived in, even small ones, has neighborhoods with distinct characters, and yup, that's the best way to explore all cities. I think the big difference is the observation that everyone in LA is essentially a freelancer. Nothing is even intended to last indefinitely, and that's very different from anywhere else I've been. Everything and everyone is shiny and newly reinvented often, and that's part of that survival skill set. I think part of that comes from the the physical nature of the place - a very old building in LA might be a hundred years old, but it's usually much less. A very old building in, say, Italy would be quite a bit older, and even on the east coast of the US there is quite a lot more history present in everyday life. The constantly changing structure of important contacts in a freelance-style life also encourages frequent self-reinvention. LA always felt to me like a perpetual adolescent, and I loved it. But it wasn't like ANY other city I'd lived in or worked in, not even San Diego right down the highway.

Cool! Sounds like we'll need to hook you up with Anthony Bourdain for a No Reservations episode!
..."I write, I travel, I eat... and I'm hungry... for more."
Peace!

Great to see you posting again Derek! I found the part about "flaking" especially useful and healing. Out of all the places you mentioned as being part of LA, I find that people from Pasadena still do exercise their right to a having a civic identity apart from being "Angeleno".
Great post!

I was born and raised in Hollywood, took full advantage of LA's fantastic art opportunities for kids, left for the San Francisco Bay Area at age 17 (in 1966), and that is where I built my career in the arts, along with some time in New York and Tokyo. LA has never been my career arena. It's where I see the people I've known all my life, plus the new friends I acquire each time I spend a few years there.

Your insights into the ways of people who move to LA sound true enough. My relatives and childhood friends are more down to earth than this, however. They include a movie producer, two TV producers, a couple of actresses, two animators, a clothing designer, a jazz pianist, a film composer, a singer/songwriter, and a retired music industry exec. I am genuinely curious about their latest projects when I visit them, but they never corner me with manic self-promotion, and they are all honest about their busy schedules. This courtesy I repay in kind.

I disagree with your assertion that downtown is a neighborhood to which most people don't go. Downtown LA is a huge hipster art scene.

If you want to see the weird and wondrous in LA in the company of some gleefully noire Gen X boho art historians, I highly recommend Esotouric.com.

Hi Derek,
Been thinking about you and there you are again! I don't know anyone who explains anything as well as you do. I've been to L A a few times and i saw good and bad places but, i never understood L A the way i do now.
Thank you for the insight.

Thanks Derek, I just decided to move to LA a few hours ago so when I read your post title, I was like, What?! LOL
Your advice is so helpful! I'm in Oregon at the moment and it is soooooo easy and comfortable here that I am very apprehensive about moving to LA. Your article puts me at ease because having an understanding of the way things are beforehand is half the pain of change.

So appreciate you and miss you in Portland!
CD Baby's not the same without you. :(
(They're still cool though.)lol

Loved this. I moved to LA for a year or so in 1985 - from Vancouver BC. I just felt like I had to get it out of my system. I rented a little bungalow in the Hollywood Hills - Deep Dell Canyon - right below lake Hollywood - outfitted it from yard sales the first weekend and steeped myself in the whole culture of it all. I was still gigging in Canada, and one time after I went back for a show, I just never returned to LA. Like you said Derek - it helped me figure out where I wanted to be on the planet. It was a fantastic chapter of my life, and I'll never think..."maybe I should have....". I did. And I LOVED it.

Love it. We're from San Diego and our daughter lives in LA... er... Torrance. You nail a lot of what LA is about here, Derek. Temporary, in-the-moment, self-absorbed (at the risk of being narcissistic sometimes), casual, diverse...

Oh,.and Theresa...just to help you feel better. I was scared shitless to go to LA. I'd already been a victim of random violence and thought of LA as a mighty dangerous place to be. Facing that fear was one of the best things about it. I never felt anything less than comfortable and safe. Even living alone in that funky little place. Fear is all about imagining what could happen, whereas reality is virtually always far more benign and friendly - and pretty much what you make it.
Interesting reading your stories...how often we just have to leave where we grow up. I grew up in the SF Bay Area and ended up in Vancouver. Go figure.

Thank you Derek. I sent you a question a few months ago about relocating to NY/LA and you responded personally. I am from Johannesburg, and this is the quintessential polyglot/melting pot of Africa: a fabulous city that is not for the faint-hearted - brash like NY, frontierish like LA. I like the advice you gave me: get a visa and travel to NY/LA often, which obviates the need for a green card! As Dionne sang and Burt/Hal wrote, LA is a great big freeway... I think LA, like life, is what you make of it! I also like what Bob Baker says: do the best with what you have, right where you are, for now. I think he was quoting a US president. Well, there you have it! Be well.

I love this Derek! Your observations are always so interesting. I have been to LA many times and wish I had had your perspective much sooner. Best to you in all your endeavors.

LOL! dude your insights are as always...just priceless, thanks for making me sit back for a brief moment and just think about it. You always seem to put a smile on my face. thank you for that.

after reading "City of Quartz. Excavating the Future in Los Angeles" by Mike Davis (1990) I vaguely understand how the city of angels got its momentum to become a mega-city.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Davis

greetings from an L.A. fan from Linz, Austria
Wolfgang
(base records)

The most optimistic place on earth, wow, that is a truly positive take on people making commitments they're unable to complete on. You are an inspiration in your relentless positivity sir. :-)

Hey Derek. I guess it's been awhile since you've been to L.A. Downtown has become a haven for art and partying. People are moving there in droves. The Eastside of "Los Angeles" is now very prestigious and hip, a mixture of hipsters, homeless and artists. I have been to concerts and theatre in places I would never have gone at night 10 years ago. Now....if only there were a good train system.......

As always, great reading Derek and so true about many places or so called cities around the world. I think these experiences make us a little more tolerant, wiser and bring us back down to earth when most needed.

Great to see you back and sharing your wisdom.

The part about flakiness and who you know seems to be true, with it being less so in Northern California. Thanks

Nice one Derek!

I have a few things to add as I spent about 15 years in the city and was born just outside. In all honesty, it was a love hate relationship struggle for me for a long time until I turned 30 and moved into a van on the banks of Palisades Park in Santa Monica. Yes, you have to be full of optimism to take that plunge and I was but this is what I learned from the experience ....

1. There is quite a dynamic Metro system mingling throughout the city. There is a bus from the beaches of Santa Monica, right to the heart of downtown LA. There are many busses that run through the lanes of all the major streets and THEY ALLOW YOU TO PUT BIKES ON THE BUS, so you can move around when you get close to a destination. Obviously to paint that whole entire city in Public Transport would be next to impossible, but it has come along way, and there is a great Underground downtown to the valleY. Get a map, get confused and explore, I had a blast and ended up practically mastering it in a few months as I decided I would rather sit in traffic with a book and writing materials in hand then behind the wheel.

2. The Spiritual Smorgasborg. yeah I spelled that wrong, but there is an enormous spiritual community resting on the banks of Santa Monica Venice that will blow your mind! Multiple events every evening, tons of uplifting music and workshops and even more optimism then you can ever imagine! It is lovely. I had a chance to start a small Conscious Community called 4DALOVE.org and had a blast doing it. Get out your yoga mat and mingle with the healthy LIFERS, it completely transformed my life and was a gateway to INDIA, which is where I reside now.

3. Learn to accept EVERYONE as they are. LA has more people more more cultures doing more things then I have ever seen anywhere in the world. If you can walk the city with an open mind and heart like a child, it is an endless display of creation and collaboration. You can learn almost anything, play any style of music, learn any language, play any sport, meet any partner from any place in the world and you can also just take up a lounge chair and watch it all unfold, truly it is magic.

4. More on the VAN. Now, many people may think that living in a van is shameful and ludicrous. But let me tell you how I turned it into the good life, free of rent in multi-million dollar property. First, I parked regularly on the cliffs of Palisades Park. The locals new I was there, but I worked a 9-5 while playing gigs, hosting events and having a social life so I wasn't there much more then the mornings. My front yard was the most beautiful view overlooking Santa Monica Beach. I would host pick nick, Yoga Classes and Play Music when I could. My toilet had the same view and my shower was a 5 star Day Spa with all the mineral baths and extras the I indulged myself in just a few blocks away. Sometimes I would drive up the coast and find another cliff to park on. When I needed to go to the city late and did not feel like driving home, I just got in the back and rested. I had a bike locked to the back for freedom and I just explored like I had just come to town, even though I had been there for the last 30 years. Truly, it was some of the most vibrant days of my life. Full Freedom, full connection, full on life for a fraction of the price as most rentals in the area are about 1500 for a shoe box not much larger then the inside of the van.

Anyways, I could go on and on as I am yearning to go back, but the right time will come. If now is your time, open up and enjoy!

Very well put, Derek. You covered all the reasons why I moved to LA and enjoyed living there for 7 years... and all the reasons why I left. Living in LA is a great experience for awhile if you're young, but it's not where I'd want to end my days.

Good advice for living anywhere.

I loved my brief time in Southern California (living in Pasadena), so I loved reading your post. I especially liked item #3, "just drive around". I was in California before the GPS, so I tooled around with a Thomas Guide. Driving the freeways and "getting lost" were some of my favorite parts of living in LA.

I should be in LA

* My songs were just played on The Voice
* check out my website
* I'll be at ur event for sure - after I've been for my hike in the Hollywood hills
* upwards and onwards, always

Dear Derek:

A fun and enjoyable article. But,why add, "It may feel fake, but faking it is fine. (Kurt Vonnegut wrote, “You are whatever you pretend to be.”) If one pretends to be something they are not, they may forget who they are. So, be who you are and if you don't like who you are than work to change yourself. Pretending only leads to offending oneself.

I'm not a traveler, in fact I think I'm one of the minority around me that don't travel.
But I think I've faced most if not all of those things when I moved between 3 towns, where I was born and studied, where I attended a university, where I'm currently working.
This advice is great for every mover, anywhere!

D- Diversified
E- Education
R- Resources
I- Information
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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam, cool article, among the best one I have read about LA. Thanks Derek, You made a difference today & made my day.

When I first came to US, I used to ask my friends about there families & many used to stare me as if I owe them money.

"The same way you wouldn’t fault someone from India asking about your family". Opps I did that many time & many of my newly born friends I met started to ignore me. I was puzzled & used to apply more & more deodorant to smell dignified on
Campus---> Thanks Erick once again for cracking the Indian Myth.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Adil Nemat

Great story. My daughter is living exactly what, where and as you have described. Thank you for the insights that DO apply everywhere.

Thanks for your LA perspective and advice! I just returned to Austin Tx, after being based out of Venice Beach for 2 yrs. All of 2010, I did the "self imposed exile/guitar poet thing" wandering between the boardwalk and the promenade (Santa Monica), noodling on lyrics and guitar riffs. Most of 2011, I toured Film Festivals as the subject of Jay Duplass' documentary "Kevin". LA and the subsequent film festival tour has been a wonderful learning experience, truly tempering me for now.

I was born & raised two hours north of L.A. in Bakersfield, the town that everyone seems to make fun of in the movies.
My brother is an engineer & songwriter & he & his family live in L.A. they love it. One of the best things is the food, the wonderful restaurants, you have every cuisine from almost every culture in the world. You want Armenian food? No problem. Food from a small province in China? You can find it.

The traffic is ridiculous & I know because I drove thru it hundreds of time from school to get up to Bako.

Basically it's a great place to live a short time, but I would rather live here in Kazakhstan than L.A.

In the 1970's I lived in LA when I went to school then moved back with my wife in the early 80's to work for Roland. I will never forget the feeling when I first arrived to go to school. I was on a flight from Detroit, which not a small city either, so I was used to the city environment. Or so I thought. It was a night flight and as the plane entered the LA "area" I looked out the window. The number of lights was, simultaneously, the most beautiful and gut wrenchingly scary thing I had ever seen.
I loved the experiences. And the friendships I made. And how much I learned. It is one of the greatest co-mingling of neighborhoods in the world.

Have visited LA twice for a week each time and loved everything about it except the freeway-- scary :)
One time we took a large basset hound with us -- so want to give you some hints on dog friendly. Mount Washington , Chinatown & little Tokyo are problematic as there do not seem to be any grassed right of ways or any place for a country dog to go to the bathroom. Pasadena has streets lined in lush grass and trees -- perfect for basset walks-- and we found a campground in Malibu right near the beach that had a beautiful dog walk with huge poop bags at the entrance. :)

I presently live in Vermont. I have a couple of close friends, but I have to say as a singer musician, LA has been where I was the most recieved. People are the same everywhere, and I met some wonderful native Californians who were nicer than alot of Vermonters. Three times people insisted I stay out there and I wimped out thinking I belonged in the East. I am sure I would have quite the life if I stayed out there. Jimmy Kimmel treated me like gold when i sang on the show. I am better now than I was when I lived out there and would love to perform again there. LA rocks. Love the ladies out there too and making them laugh.

'listen like you’d listen to an 8-year-old who excitedly tells you about their train set for an hour' ..haha ..classic !

I lived in LA in the early 80s, and made it a point to get up into the Angeles Crest as often as possible. What tore it for me was one afternoon in the hills above JPL, when the smog funneled up into the canyon so thick we had to lay with our faces almost in the stream to breathe. Lit a shuck for Arizona soon after!

I migrated from the mountains east of Seattle to the sun and sand of LA in 1997, settling above Cabrillo Beach in San Pedro (locals say "pee-dro") until the German gal who drew me there and I moved back to her ancestral home on the border with Belgium a few years later.

Lucid observations all, as ever, Mr. Sivers.

As someone who tends toward optimism WITH follow-through, I found the "flaking" in LA more than a little off-putting at times -- but I came to understand much as you do here after a couple years or dealing with it.

If you ever find yourself in the Eifel-Ardennes with time to kill, I'd be happy to make you a cup of strong German coffee and show you around our historical neighborhood. Charlemagne hunted here. Caeser camped here. These days, I mow the lawn.

Derek, are you thinking of moving back to LA, or merely helping a friend who might move there? I lived in Singapore for 7 years, and I'd be curious to see an article like the one you've done for LA, except on your impressions of Singapore. Or maybe like the person who brought up Bourdain, you could do so for everyplace you've lived. Were I to do that, the most difficult article to write, and likely the most lengthy, would be on Japan where I lived for 6 years. That place, unlike all others, even in SE Asia, is somewhat of an enigma. Nonetheless, the longer I'm back in the States, the more my memories drift eastward!

I have been to LA since the early mid=50's and watched LA go from orange groves to CBS and WGA new bldg's...Even back then you took side roads to avoid traffic..Disneyland was not around then. Yrs later I got into the business and have been for 21 years now. I take clients for
tours while they pitch there scripts to Paramount and Warner that I set up. Always the same questions: how did you know about this place to eat, or I would never known about this part of town: How beautiful etc..
The one thing I can say is you did a great explanation here and for new commers will be valuable. Just stay off Laural Canyon Road between
3:00PM and 8:00PM, ha

very cool article man...yes...I agree...!!!

Great insights! Having grown up in "Los Angeles" and working as there as a TV producer for a dozen odd years, I can't wait to point to this piece and tell all my friends, "So, this is why I am the way I am!" :-)

Having lived elsewhere both in and outside the US, working in television, video and interactive media, I had to learn to tone down my LA survival skills... So, from my experience, there is nowhere where the culture is so fine-tuned to the freelance economy.

It is really;i have to attmited,extraordinary story to me!

Good luck.

I lived there too, I love to visit, to eat and see pals, to talk to my composer friends, see a film, go to Musso and Frank for a martini or six, Go to the beach,,, Yes, it's a cool place

Thanks Derek, for a funny and wise perspective on LA. It's a template to use for any new experience, really, and a window into being Compassion; being Teachable; being Alive!

Right on the money again Derek. Amazing how you have such a grasp on life. You remind me of Master Poe in the old Kung Fu TV series. Always offering wise and meaningful advice.

Hey Derek....miss you, Brother. Always good to hear from you.

Your comments are spot on as usual....very funny and true.

Let me know when you want to join The Explorer Club.

I am now on the Board of Directors for membership development.

OK ?

Derek, thanks for emailing me this! It's so true. My favourite places have to be Culver - Venice - Santa Monica. All accessible by bicycle :)

I am well known in my friend circles and family my disgust of Los Angeles. Your perspective is very true, and I never thought of it that way. Perhaps looking at it from this angle my point of view could change. Thanks Derek

I've lived just south of LA in Orange County my entire life. Yes, it is very different down here, but I've also had more than enough time to explore every nook and cranny around Los Angeles and know the city extremely well. I have a few issues with this article: 1) Downtown IS just another neighborhood, BUT it is one that has been redeveloped over the past several years. I personally rediscovered it recently and I couldn't be more enthralled by it. Anyone thinking of moving here should definitely check out downtown as a possible neighborhood to live in. 2) You make it seem like every single person who lives here works in Hollywood and that just isn't true. Reading the article, the type of Angeleno that you describe is the kind I could do without and try to avoid. I do know what you're talking about with the optimism thing and have experienced it first hand on several occasions. They are some of us who recognize this happening (and it really is a universal thing, not exclusive to LA) and choose who we hang out with and work with based off of constantly getting burned by so-called "flaky" people.

I love Los Angeles a lot and I thin that anyone who takes the time to really explore and learn about the city will to, but there is definitely more to the citizens of this area than what I read in this article.

Derek...how wonderful to hear from you again. Just when this little old lady was afraid to go to L.A. to visit friends, you explained that "city" of cities so well that I've lost my fear. Thank you! I had been wondering what you were up to, young man, when you just popped up in my email. :) Your insight is refreshing and fun. Why not visit San Antonio and go to small cities like Fredericksburg and others? There's so much more here in Texas than cattle and big hats! We haven't been here long, but love it. After living in Wisconsin, Missouri, South Carolina (twice), Connecticut, Washington (twice) and Hawaii, I think we've found a friendly, affordable, diverse place to live. Yes, Spanish is helpful, but not required, and even at our advanced age, it's easier to learn than we thought.

Let us know what you're getting up to now and then. Love hearing from you!

Very true about the San Francisco Bay Area as well. Living in Mountain View, it's hard to tell someone where I am from.
"San Francisco"?
"San Jose"?
It's a bunch of smaller towns put together. I teach guitar on the edge of Mountain View, Palo Alto, and Los Altos. All 3 of those towns have a completely different feel.

I still live in LA and love it. I have musician friends all over and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I live in beautiful Van Nuys (use to be back in the 50's). I can find any car part for my 85 Vette or 54 chevy truck in Van Nuys. Many musicians live here. Im 35 minutes away from Malibu and just down the street from Larry Goldings. The best jazz players in the world live here. Im from Northern California which I also love. Marin county is where I grew up and always wanted to move back but now Im digging LA more for all it has to offer. Sunset and Vine is fifteen minutes away. The Rose Bowl in Pasadena is twenty-five minutes. I can go down the street to the Academy of Motion Pictures in North Hollywood and see a new episode of "The Killing" and talk to the actors afterwards. My wife is a SAG-Aftra member. I can walk by George Cloony's house on my way back from Tree People park (10 minutes) from my house. I saw a picture in a local museum taken of the Valley before anything was built here and it was a very beautiful land.
Traffic can be a drag and summer's can be very hot but there's no tornadoes or snow. Everything is here and so am I.

Great advice. Malibu Canyon road that runs between the valley and malibu is absolutely amazing.

Thanks Derek! Enjoyed the info about L.A. I've visited and I can agree. I think it's the valley of dreams. I also agree with finding a lot of people that use self promotion as it is a town that is very affluent and supportive of Independent thinkers and business. A fried once told me though, just remember, always try and keep some money in the bank there cause it goes fast:)

Derek, this is a good example of why you are one of my favourite people. You not only see the glass as half full, you can imagine it overflowing with abundant delight and you are eager to share the overflow. Cheers!
That's wealth, and it's all around us.

#1 is a real insight and I believe will be hugely helpful for the next time I visit.
#2 I believe is true pretty much anywhere to some degree, and I love the enthusiasm of people talking about their passions.
#3 is the kind of fun exploration & discovery people should do everywhere.
#4 ABSOLUTELY.
#5 is well known & makes perfect sense in the LA climate, but no one should be exempt from being so self-absorbed that they can't distinguish between a person who truly needs & wants to know about their professional connections, and someone who doesn't care & is put off by that kind of talk. This happens in NYC as well - especially within the quite insular acting community - and I turn off my ears as soon as someone takes the conversation down that road. Talk about the work, talk about the industry in general, but stop dropping names & projects, PLEASE.
#6 I couldn't disagree more with. I am a busy arts professional with lots of friends in the various performing arts. I know what it feels like to have someone YES you & not come through. I'd a thousand times rather someone say maybe or no, and I never promise to show up to something unless I'm sure I'll be there. Short of a last minute, unforseen conflict or an emergency of some sort, there is NO GOOD REASON for someone to say they'll do something & then NOT ONLY not do it but also MOST OFTEN not even follow up with a sorry or a "hey, how did it go?" or any kind of acknowledgment that they didn't keep their word. Keep in mind, though, that I'm applying this only to people you actually know. If you're at a networking event passing out cards, of course you'll get some "optimistic" strangers saying yes right off the bat, and of course you don't expect them to show. That's perfectly fine. But if you are a friend/colleague/acquaintance of any kind, and you say yes to someone, and you don't follow through, you DON'T get a pass for being flaky. This is the exact attitude that compelled us to start our film company - to create a new status quo where people are treated as people first & commodities/talents second, and where one's word is expected to be kept. We always follow through with what we promise to our ensemble & fans.

my friends have recently sold a script to a major director for 2.5 million which apparently low budget. I still kind of tease them that they should not become distracted and can always collaborate on my latest script. My improvisation teacher says that in America one rarely blocks and the conversation can quite rapidly become quite abstract and IS acceptable as in UK it is more connected to becoming a hermit. In England it is very easy to have no friends at all . But a trip to LA still requires finance of somekind ..i,d love to meet one of those characters at my tennis club here 50 miles from London but must learn not to be antagonistic knowing too well i,m done for in this foggy creative world. tbc

Re: "No one place is 'the real America'." I recommend an interesting book from 1981: "The Nine Nations of North America" by Joel Garreau. Highly insightful for its day, and now, 3 decades later is applicable even with caveats of broad demographic and socio-political changes since.

Hey Derek -

Happy you wrote about one of my favorite places on Earth. I lived in Los Angeles for 17 years. It was the best thing I ever did for myself. I found people that were extraordinary in their willingness to let me try, fail, grow and blossom. Maybe my experience was unique, but I hung out at songwriter groups, went to millions of open mics and landed with other souls who knew what it was like, having a desire to express what had been bottled up inside for decades. In other words, I found out who I resonated with, which is all an artist can ask for. And I found those people not only in music, but in theater, and through every production assistant, receptionist gig I ever took to survive. Most are still my dearest friends to this day. The city itself, not easy. Riots, fires, earthquakes, lots of robberies...that wore me out. But so beautiful in places, and there is always a quest for magic.
I say quest -
Mare

This is simply a FUN posting Derek...an enjoyable read. It helps to look at all things from different angles at times. Thanks for sharing it!

http://www.nickandallison.com/2012/04/observations-about-la.html

I wrote a blog post about this! I'll have to add your observations to the list. :)

I LOVE this....I drive to L.A. several times a month for work and stay several days each time...and I am always asking friends to "come to my shows," thinking...they're in L.A., they should just come!" And of course, what you write is so true!! It isn't one city at all, and you hit the nail on the head as far as the "spirit" of freelancers! Thanks for this!

As usual, love your insight! I would actually love to move the LA area (part-time) in the coming years, and your post affirmed a lot of great stuff for me. I'm excited to explore that "city" one of these days. Getting out in the natural settings there is perhaps what I am most looking forward to.

Great article. Good advice. :)

Nice one, Derek!

I lived in the Los Angeles area for more than 20 years, before moving to San Francisco four years ago. There is a lot of truth to what you say, but I have to disagree on one point. Most people have regular day-to-day jobs and are not freelancers, and most people do not work for the entertainment industry. The industry only employs, at best, a few hundred thousand people, even fewer fulltime, and the Los Angeles area (including Los Angeles county and a few surrounding counties) has a population of over 20 million people.

Also, just in case anyone is wondering, it is possible to live in Los Angeles without a car—I did so for over 20 years.

Hahahaha...I moved to L.A. a year and a half ago and this is so true!

I like LA. Then again I'm from Houston originally. Both cities have traffic, sprawl, and pollution. Which means to me, LA is upside...better weather, beautiful outdoors, similar diversity, a rich mix of art and culture, etc. And I find people in LA to be pretty friendly too (see point #1 below).

But what about LA's "fakeness"? I live in San Francisco where many dismiss LA on the grounds of blanket superficiality. Two thoughts...1) LA > Hollywood. I'm not sure what the numbers are, but there are millions of people across LA's other 29 towns who have nothing to do with Hollywood. 2) It's a matter of taste, but I'm more OK with the authentic superficiality of Hollywood than the superficial authenticity one sometimes finds in certain SF hipster enclaves. Thought it may not always cut deep, Hollywood doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't...it IS unabashedly superficial, which has a time and place as Derek points out. And that MO jibes better with me than people who are too cool for school as they sport an opaque veneer of profoundness and superiority.

I love when people recognize this aspect of Los Angeles. It's very easy to get caught up in the stressful parts of this"city" that was not set up as one city. I moved here in 1963 at 4 years old. I grew up driving the long drive from Beverly Hill to the beach at Playa Del Rey where there was nothing but the wetlands for miles and then the ocean appeared. Although I have some nostalgic pangs for the things of my past here from the Pony Rides in the big lot where the Beverly Center stands to the Lowes Beverly Theater on Wilshire and Beverly Drive where I spent my Saturdays watching movies over and over. There is still so much to discover here as things change. I still love to drive around and get lost, take new routes. Take a Round-the-World trip in your car or public transport visiting all the international mini cities that have created tiny versions of their homelands.

Great post Derek. I'd love to hear your thoughts on New York City.

I lived in LA in 1989 on Venice Blvd about 10 blocks from the water. Every night someone tried to break into my boyfriends car. A five point earthquake hit and I only lived there for 90 days. I couldn't wait to get the hell out of that place. Not enough parks, too many people, too much concrete. Fake boobies and fake hair color . Its nothing but a fantasy land.

Ditto what Ken (11) says and good to hear from ya. Oh, I like this story fer various reasons, so thats cool.

Derek, enjoyed your fairy tale concerning LA, but it seems to emanate from the pen of an aging man undergoing fond nostalgia for a mythical place that only exists within the realm of his imagination.

1. The constant self-promotion is more a case of pathological narcissism, a contagion that increasingly afflicts the entire upper echelons of USA society. If I have to sit next to one more actress/dancer/singer who babbles endlessly about whether she needs a boob job or not, I think I may slash my wrists.

2. You do not merely "need" a car to explore the vast area of Los Angeles, you "need" a car as a measure of your status in a "culture" that relentlessly prioritizes/reveres the material and shallow. God help the poor fellow who drives an old dented clunker in LA, he may have trouble getting a date on Friday night.

3. In describing LA as a "who you know" culture, that is a euphemism, to say the least. A more accurate description: LA is the paradigm of Celebrity culture, and those who allegedly celebrate/fornicate/associate with vaunted A-List celebrities occupy the highest levels of the LA pecking order. Restaurants, night clubs, bars, stores, gyms, etc. typically thrive or fail depending upon their ability to draw high profile celebrities. In that respect, LA represents the apotheosis of the Cult of Celebrity, a fervent perspective on life that is quasi-religious in nature, as contemporary celebrities seem to have replaced the gods of yore in our increasingly atheist urban environments.

4. When you laud LA as "the most optimistic place on earth," thereafter offering that as an apologia for the inability of many LA denizens to follow through on promises or commitments, well, that seems like a Pollyanna vision of reality. In fact, LA is renowned for its disingenuous sadism, aka, the friendly warm smile followed swiftly with a knife in the back. By contrast, in New York, people tend to be much more frank and upfront in their attitudes. To give you a more concrete illustration, please note this hypothetical exchange involving no-shows from LA and New York:

Question to New Yorker: Will you attend my event?
Answer from New Yorker: "F-off, I have no interest in attending your amateur, no-celebrity event."

Question to Los Angeleno: Will you attend my event?
Answer from Los Angeleno: Of course, I will, it sounds like it will be a sweet event full of real people.

In conclusion, Derek, I think that LA has certain virtues and redeeming features, especially given that it's actually an aggregation of eclectic small towns, as you so incisively noted. Naturally, the warm weather is the primary attraction. However, that said, I think it's a mistake to deceive others about its various warts and blemishes. In doing so, you perpetuate a Tourist Board image of the town that is bound to disappoint.

Don't get me wrong: as a political artist, I alternate between purveying cold hard realities and ethereal romantic dreams to the public. In that respect, I do not negate the value of dreaming.

But inspiring a dream is one thing, disseminating a mass delusion is another.

Sunshine

Ciao Derek!!

I lived in LA for 5 years: 1998-2003.
It's been a great life lesson on many counts, sort of like a baptism by fire for every musician trying to get into the business aspect of music, more than the music itself.

Personally I have never seen so many lonely people living all together and striving for a goal that is not clear even to themselves...maybe the real goal is living in LA, so they can tell other people that they live in LA..;)

LA feels like a giant golden limbo where you are forced to stay until that big "something" happens.
And it almost always seems right behind the corner, just about to happen. And you see all these "empty suits" (like we used to call them) telling you that your stuff sounds great, and you look great, and you are great...but then when you try to reply they are off to some meeting telling other people how great they are.
Luckily the weather IS great in LA!

I now live in Rome, where every rock was there before anything else, and will be there after anything else. It was great experience to be in the LA limbo, but I'm glad I'm not there anymore.
Now I have to decide whether I upgraded to paradise or downgraded to hell!

Derek: always a pleasure reading you,
Enrico

Derek, have you noticed how brilliant you are?
We, your readers, definitely have!

I learn so much about myself every time I read one of your articles. Each epiphany helps me be a better, more accepting person. Thank you for these gifts!

Bruce

Los Angeles is a mess. People in Orange County hate driving to LA for anything unless it makes us money.

People in Southern California, even where I am, are rude, unloving and always fighting for position.

It's becoming more hispanic which means more and more signs are unreadable. I have to say that if I lived in another country I would be expected to speak that countries language. Not in Cali. The accommodate everyone.

I went on vacation to Tennessee and was blown away at the cleanliness even in the Nashville downtown area. The towns are friendly. No one rushes around. Not in stores or on the road. This really showed me how unhealthy living in California is.

I am not even going to discuss the politics. That is the reason California is broke and there is no sign of fixing it.

We pray to leave someday. Quality of life is more important to us than the money and trust me when you live in Cali it's all about the money.

Derek, a great article, I had no idea of all the towns formed as on whole Los Angelis..ironically for the past two weeks I've been watching reruns of DRAGNET....pretty good stories too! Be well:)

Respectfully yours, Sam Stray

Many years ago, waiting hours for an appointment with an up-and-coming record producer, I overheard some office workers. "I placed one of me songs," said one. "Absolutely bitchen! Who with?" said the other. "Cathy Washington," said the first. "Who?" "Like Diana Ross."
This was L.A. "like talk." It's not who you are, it's who you're like. Who you're like is often the person or job you will be or will have. Just keep going for it. You're on your way!
Bill Fisher

Couldn't agree more and LOL'd at the "nobody goes there anyway" line about downtown. I call it Gotham City. I'm a Chicago transplant in LA from 2002-present, so was disappointed and confused the first time I saw LA's downtown/slumhole.

I grew as a SoCal beach girl...surfer and what not...Hollywood was the place to see and hear what's up in the biz...I guess I really didn't notice the self-promotion...it was what we all did...with bright enthusiasm...but living up in the SF Bay Area...I get in trouble sometimes for my California "self"...yet I find compassion and giving is mutual through the professional music biz network...you just have to watch over-extending yourself because people will "innocently" take advantage...but I wouldn't live anywhere else and when I visit my old LA haunts, it still makes me smile but I would only live across the street from the beach if I moved back...thanks for the
nostalgia...

You have been involved in much of my synchronicity lately and this post is suspiciously timely as we are planning to move to L.A. area. The insight is much appreciated!

hitching through LA since 1970 provided some insights that have stayed with me. I have friends that were fledgling so long ago, that have turned into family. A maid in Yosemite in 1974 has brought me a rich musical family that has lasted the test of time.
Now, performing in Mendocino Music Fest, High Sierra, to Renee Bodie's Concerts and Bob Stanes' Backstage Coffeegallery is like coming home again. (also, I LOVE getting lost with my GPS, and love the insights into the everpresent positive zen smile)
thanks Derek!

Hey Derek,

really good article, explained a lot about LA. Thank you. The only point I can't agree is breaking of promises. As immigrant I find extremely annoying that people would promise or plan meeting, when both of us know they will not show up. From your description, it is even worse there.

Um… Derek… I'm playing this weekend, out in the Inland Empire. You should come. It's gonna' be really good. Plenty of free parking too. Should I have my people put some comps away for you? ;-)

I think I'll stay put in sunny SW Florida even tho I'm a Democrat in a sea of Republicans.

Derek If sold as many CD's as you have comments here I'd still be in the music industry.

I moved to LA about 15 years ago. I noticed everything you said, but did have a more negative view of all the name dropping, flakiness and fakeness. Reading what you put in this post opened up my perspective to all of those common traits of many (not ALL) LA area people and I can appreciate their behavior in a different way. There are many things I love about LA, generally speaking, the people were not one of them. But, I think with this post I can learn to love them a little more.

Very good. I expect to move to LA from northern Ca in the next 6 months and it is great to hear a refreshing story after hearing many negative thoughts from people in my hometown about the move to LA.

Derek

I had a longtime fascination about LA, because of Hollywood. Now I know that it's a combination of multiple small towns. Also it was interesting to know about the people and their self obsessed nature.

It was a great article for me to learn about this place I am planning to visit in the near future (or even live, who knows?)

Thanks!

Thank you for your insight. I have only been through L. A., never stopped and looked around. I have a lot of friends that live there and now I know why they have homes in other places in the U. S.

Thanks, Derek. Funny you should write about LA. Siobhan and I are from the Finger Lakes Region in NY. This past January we flew to San Francisco and traveled down the coast by car to San Diego. I wish you wrote your article last December. It would have given us a better understanding why people in LA and California in general, are so into themselves. With that said, we were still able to seek out some great folks in the “mom and pop” establishments in the small towns along the coast. Take care!

I would add that most people in LA aren't from LA and that all these transplants come with dreams and ideas of what they think LA is. LA is big enough, they can probably find exactly what they were searching for. Then, having found it, they decide it's not all they wanted it to be, complain about how superficial LA is and move on.

For those of us who were born and bred in LA - we look upon the superficiality of LA transplants with amusement. There are real people in LA. They just aren't involved with the latest fad or imaginary city people came to LA to find.

The other thing is that if you are coming from the west coast, you need to understand that LA is a philosophically cool place. Meaning, they don't take themselves seriously. Everything is approached with a self deprecating awareness of how silly we are when we are trying to be serious. So there is a constant undercurrent of frivolity, that if you aren't used to it comes off as superficial. But it is actually a philosophic approach to life that works quite well. I didn't realize what the problem was until I moved east and people were taking themselves so seriously all the time. Came as a bit of a culture shock really. If you want to move to CA and be taken seriously - move to San Francisco - LA is too cool to take themselves or anyone they meet seriously.

Yes you always need a car in LA. First time I was there my friends said no problem we will take you places, right! Never got to leave the conference site I was speaking at, so every time since then I get a car. I really enjoy driving around it's the only way to see LA. I will be out again in October and I will have a convertible waiting! :)

Hi Derek,
Yeah, living in San Diego for years now, I've spent some time in LA as well. It's somewhat the same down here in that it's really a slew of small towns making up a fairly large city. To me it's a good thing because you have all the advantages of a big city, music scene and concerts, big league sports, diverse restaurants and nightlife, etc, but retain a 'small town' feel. And, let's not forget the weather!

Dear Derek, I rarely like any article that is written about Los Angeles...I was born and raised in this great town.....My grandmother had a house down the street from Paramount Studios.....I live in Brentwood and have lived all over the Westside experiencing life that most dream of...Angelenos are quite down to earth if you can find them..Natives in general...........Your article is great....And its true.............Im not one to agree with most takes.....Anyway.....Kudos to you.....I have many stories to share however somehow being a native?......Its just been the landscape of my life..Take care....Phyllis

Good writing. I always enjoy reading your posts - both content and style. I am hoping someday soon to read your advice on moving to Singapore. That way I can vicariously move to Asia in the space of a blogpost as well. I appreciate where I live now all the more having remembered my brief six month stint in Irvine, CA - which only made me long for (and return to) the lush green of the Northwest. Every place has its culture, it's people their quirks and charm. We make a comfortable coat of what fits or we move on...

In general the transplants are the most disingenuous to be sure.......The natives? They keep it real.....

Thanks Derek, as always, I always love your perspective. Having been born on Hollywood's Sunset Blvd and, other than a few years here and there, have resided smack dab in the middle of the city where there's an element of the culture we natives see play out over and over again -- and that's how almost everyone who comes to our city to pursue their dreams eventually heads back to Indiana or Upstate New York or Yorkshire or Hong Kong, wherever the muse first seduced them from. Many who come aren't really focused on the work, but the glory and ego potential and it makes them reckless. Some are really talented but can't take the lack of security or cultivate the optimism you describe. Some, of course, hit the jackpot - but they are the few. I'd say maybe 15% of my schoolmates organically ended up with me in the artistic dream cloud that is L.A. For the most part, we all work hard and don't get crazy about it. Many of my kindred locals though made a beeline after high school to other parts of the world, purposely avoiding the throngs of dream chasers.

I was talking to a musician in Utah yesterday who congratulated me on getting out of LA. I looked at him and said I didn't "get out". Then I got an earfull about how much everything sucks in LA. I just smiled.

Generally I find that those who are getting things done don't need to talk about themselves as much. I don't think that's an LA thing. It's a confidence thing. The fine line of confidence and blind arrogance is what people run into often in LA.

In my travels I've found most places are similar. It's the sheer size / scope that tends to freak people out.

Then again, I remember you asking for advice on where to live in LA at one point Derek. :-)

P.S. some of the best fun I have is pointing to a spot on the map and going there via gps and back roads. It's a Sunday thing to do. Drive. Take pictures. Explore. Fun.

Wow you just codified what I think a lot of people try to put into words. I've been in L.A. for 4 years and plan to stay forever, but I still love the other places I've lived too.

You have said it all Derek, nothing more to say!

I lived in LA at two different times (1978) and (1996-2000).
I would justifiably say that, the more popular your project is, the more people care. After your sun has set, they could care less. When Beatlemania was a hit at the Schubert Theatre in Century City back in 1978, we could do no wrong. Everyone who had a "party" saw fit to invite us. After the show was over, no one "cared". I suppose, given your description of things, that should be expected.

That being said, I still like to visit there on occasion but the entertainment community is so into itself, as you describe, that carrying on any sort of meaningful professional relationship there is too fraught with surface gloss, IMHO.

I still enjoy seeing the friends in the Music biz that did befriend me and they remain reliable types.

I live in LA. I've been here for almost 9 years. I agree with most of what you say. Some people are flakey here because they really intend to follow through and in other cases it's because they are incredibly selfish. There are people here who are sincere but I've found that I really had to look for them. Actually your view of how optimistic people are here is optimistic which I thought was funny and ironic.

As a long-time LA transplant from Illinois, I agree with and share most of your perspective, except for a few things:

1. People DO go downtown a lot these days, a place which has been massively upgraded...have you been to the new restaurants and the Staples/Nokia/Walt Disney Center areas? Fun and fabulous.

2. You focused on "LA people" as mostly (forgivably) self-centered show biz folk and I can understand; given your own focus in music, those were likely the people surrounding you. But as you correctly point out, the city's made up of many diverse neighborhoods so one has to recognize that the same can be said for the people in them. Most do not work in "the biz" out only to promote their next gig or tap dance for a hoped-for job. Many are are from generations of families of every ilk, who work in a variety fields as diverse as our neighborhoods. Particularly when you raise a child here, you meet people from every walk of life who are as neighborhood and community oriented, as interesting and interested, as any considerate people from any part of the country.

3. I have to say that people seem to talk a lot about themselves wherever I go, whether the midwest, the east coast, or the Greek Islands! I believe that's more a product of our times and culture, that self-fixation and focus, rather than a trait specific to Los Angeles.

4. I love that you pointed out the amazing neighborhoods and wanted to emphasize the astounding variety and access to wilderness and nature that surrounds and weaves its way in and around this amazing city. I had out-of-town friends here this weekend and between the bluffs and mountains above Malibu, Bronson Canyon in Hollywood, the jetties and wetlands of Playa del Rey, Eaton Canyon in Alta Dena, and Griffith Park pretty much everywhere, I doubt there's an urban metropolis with as much amazing nature features anywhere in the world. It is surely one of LA's greatest characteristics.

But beyond that, you well captured the nuances and I hope anyone coming here expands their view - and their visiting - beyond the more stereotypical aspect of Hollywood and show biz...there's SO much more to appreciate!

And your first paragraph, Derek, describing the Venn-diagram-wrapped-in-a-circle nature of this particular city was perfectly put!

Great points here, Derek. One other thing that really helps when moving to LA — or any big city, for that matter — is having a clear vision for what you want. I've lived in LA for 8 years now and am always getting emails from friends of friends who are moving here, asking for advice, introductions etc. Being a true California Optimist, I truly want to help. Unfortunately, 75% of the time the people contacting me cannot articulate any sort of clear direction that would let me help them via an introduction, recommendation, etc.

So my advice to someone moving to LA?
1) Everything Derek said.
2) Be clear about what you want and ask for help. Everyone here needs help and has been new to town at some point. We're very welcoming.
3) Make it easy for optimistic people to help you.

Also, there is a lot more to LA than Hollywood and the stereotypes most of the world holds of LA. Explore, and find the little nooks and crannies that will make the city a home for you.

That is the most wonderful, positive description of LA I've ever read. Thanks Derek, sharing this.

Derek, look at all of these great rapid responses. Dude, remember the CDB beginnings? Best of success to you always.

No need to comment, but of course we do...we're a communal species..
I remember sitting in the LA Airport as a kid and watching with facination all of the interesting people...:-)
Rachel

Great article! Thanks for the insights. I have lived in LA for 11 years now, and love every part of it.

I was recently in LA and the thing that really was most amazing was.... the Pacific ocean. I got up early and went to the beach, there was a concrete sidewalk seeming to run from Alaska to Panama in the middle. A tiny few had pulled up a beach chair and large umbrella and were working on a lap top in solitude as the crystal flakes of sun sprinkled down and reflected off of the waves. The beautiful waves that rolled in with personality as the far away trawlers and tugs sat in the smoky light blue sky. To be somewhere but nowhere.

There are a couple good comments here, like a about how it's very decentralized and about taking advantage of nature.
The latter should actually be a stronger point. If you drive a few hours you can be at the top of a mountain, in the middle of the desert, or on a secluded beach. Drive a little longer and you can hit some our nation's most famous national parks (Yosemite, Sequoia, and Death Valley).
But for the most part this is the typical wrong view of LA by people in the entertainment industry. It should be "Advice on Moving to Los Angeles if you're in Entertainment". Entertainment is not the largest employer here by far. I don't even think it makes the top 5. Manufacturing, service, and finance are all bigger. The reason Los Angeles is here is because of the oil industry, which is still huge ("There Will Be Blood" was about the oil boom in SoCal). So more than 95% of people that live in LA have nothing to do with entertainment, and aren't the kind of people that he's talking about. I know a few people 'in the industry' but most people have jobs you would have in any other big city. My old neighbor worked for the LA Housing Authority. The guy across the way is a security guard at a high rise. Most of my friends are in academia (another bubble to be sure). And LA has plenty of 'locals' that have been here a long time, maybe just not in entertainment. I'm sure the percentage of recent immigrants (i.e., less than 5-10 years) is similar or better (i.e., lower) than other booming towns like Portland or Austin.
Also, the point about cars is correct only if you have to 'take meetings'. I drive my car once a week, tops, and I know I'm not alone in this. The bus system here is actually decent, the subway system keeps expanding. More importantly, many of the neighborhood he talks about driving to are extremely walkable.

Gee - the article was fun, but one could get absolutely LOST in the discussion. Wonderful! It offered me - right now - a new way to think about the New York cabaret community I now inhabit - where at one awards show someone said that if anyone who calls us a "community" paid a dollar into a central bank, we'd all be rich and no one would have to worry about being able to afford doing the gigs.

I LOVE this article about LA, Derek.
It's so funny, when you mention the part about sincere optimism, I could picture having a response with everyone when they say they'll be involved of (laugh quickly) "Yeah, sure, I'll believe THAT when I SEE IT" ... wonder if it would work like reverse psychology (NOT! -I'm only joking). But a very interesting thing to be aware of for sure. :-)

I've always wanted to live in L.A. and have only been there once! I attended a fun halloween party at the playboy mansion and then had to fly back to Georgia, so this is great information Derek! Thanks for sharing my friend!!

That's why you gotta love LA !! :-)

L.A. is the only city in the world that has ALWAYS intimidated me. At 6'-2", 275 pounds, I've never felt smaller. (and please - don't confuse "small" with loser)

While I've had amazing success in life, in L.A., EVERYBODY is SOMEBODY, and they're all a lot more important than I...

I love it's energy, it's light, what it produces, and it's amazing creativity. Wow!

Great post...

I moved around a lot when I was younger - My mom used to say: Home is where you make it- Great article.

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CONGRATULATIONS!

CONTINUE TO BE FAITHFUL
TO UR JOURNEY.
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YES YES YES.

I have never been able to explain LA (my current home) to my friends on the east coast (my old home). I love it here, but it does take some explaining, and you've done it brilliantly. Thanks!

I'm in my fourth year living in L.A. and loving it. I met the girl of my dreams here five years ago and now we're living the dream and having a blast writing and performing music together, check us out at http://www.markkingradio.com. There are so many talented people here it is just hard to imagine. I went to a party at a friends house and everyone there could play an instrument (or two) and sing, everything from blues to Frank Sinatra and ALL GOOD!!! I think HDTV saved LA, so many people spend 2.5 hours a day driving to and from work, when they get home at night they just want to plop in front of that 55-incher and consume content. If they did not have that TV the highways would be jammed with people looking for something to do. You forgot the part about $55,000 houses that regularly sell for over $800K or the part about how so many people have built a six-unit apartment in their back yard (because every unit rents for $1500 a month OR MORE!). It's easier to make money as a musician in Alton Illinois than LA but the weather here is so much better than Alton. The real question is, if your spouse or loved one died, would you stay in LA? If you're planning a visit a stroll down Venice Beach on a lazy weekend is so much fun, beats the heck out of Disney Land. Cheers! Mary and Mark King (did you check out our web site? we're building a new broadcast studio so we can rock the internet lol) Hey I'm serious!!!

Hi Derek ...

Really nice overview you've shared. So accurate in so many ways, too.

I grew up in Altadena and Pasadena; and, I subsequently moved to the beach towns of Orange County where I spent nearly two decades working primarily in the music industry. So, yes, I have seen and experienced much of the L.A. area both inside and out. I guess some might call the greater L.A. area a melting pot of imagination and adventure.

One movie that's quite funny, and which also share's a fairly accurate example of what L.A.'s people, their manners and their typical activities can include, is "L.A. Story" starring Steve Martin . Plus, for anyone who hasn't been to the greater L.A. area, you will be treated with many, many visuals. Plus, you will learn even more about the wonderful L.A. Freeway system. They are also called parking lots from time to time; plus, they are one of the big reasons why so many SoCal people rely heavily on their cell phones (missed meetings and the like) and surface streets.

Those of us who "grew up" in L.A. County can appreciate its past, its present, and its future. Entertainment is definitely one of the biggest reasons to "visit" the greater L.A. area. The region's Chambers of Commerce especially enjoy New Year's Day when millions watch The Rose Parade on television. :)

Cheers & Best to you always, Derek !!!

Dennis

I've lived in LA for some 17 years now, and vouch for every letter you've written. What is kind, wise and charming of you, and what a lot of people unfortunately fail to do, is enter this jungle of a city with an open, non-judgmental mind. Saves a lot of frustration and opens up a lot of doors. Took me 7 years to fall in love with this town and accept it for what it is and can't see myself living anywhere else for quite a while. Visiting, yes, very much so, but relocating, no.

I lived in NYC- Astoria, like you Derek- also NYC. NYC has a place called smalls.

I live in LA now. The weather is beautiful, but smalls is not here- neither is the bitter end.... that's why LA is not a city.... bc NYC is a...

Thank you for this Derek.... I will get out of my car more often. That is, if I can off the 101 in the next 3 hours. :)

Great text! No wonder you've got to be a TED talker :) Thank you for sharing!

You hit the nail on the head with this article. I did the hiking and venturing to the canyons, spent time with successful people in the industry. I never changed clothes and had so many lunches in all my life. I lived with the rich, and played with the poor. And, if it hadn't been for a bad relationship with a guy (that was going to produce me, so he said, ha, I'd probably still be there. But, he became obsessed with me),,,,oh, I know this could happen anywhere. I had to get away from him, back home to my real friends. Anyway, I got a great song out of it, "Driving Home".

Derek - as a decade plus Santa Monica resident I concur that this is fantastic advice and very true. I also might add one bit of information that a woman gave me two weeks after I moved here while we were waiting for our cars at the valet, "LA is a huge town with everything to offer. Don't get stuck with places or people that you don't like. Move on and find your niche!"

Being born in Iowa and then living in Denver, CO after college I found friends far quicker in Los Angeles and most of them remain dear to my heart even if we go months without seeing each other!

To me the beauty about Los Angeles is that you have all the creative resources to become anything you want. Just know your going to work 10x harder than anywhere else in the US because there is a LOT of talent here! I'm so glad I got my feet wet making music in this town. When I play elsewhere it's like a walk in the park! Ahhh the City of Angels...

Great to see you back, Derek. This was very interesting. I live in a small rural town and have never been to LA. Once again, I truly learned a lot from you. Thanks for sharing.

...just posted on my FB page... great post Derek. .. ... wonder if you scroll down this far to read the posts past #10? ... lol ..

Good insights -- I couldn't figure out LA and I complain about it as a result. (No "center" really confused me!) Your perspective is like a patient parent, understanding a child. Helpful!

Glad to hear from you again, Derek. And thank you for sharing.

Good to hear from you again, Derek. After reading your post I am still thankful I live in Chicago. LA is not for me. But your writing is..... Hugs!

Dear Derek,
Thank you so much for sending this. I literally moved to LA one week ago. Great advice!
Blessings,
Avital

I lived in LA and I desperately want to move back, I had the best time there and I find there was no place better for me in networking with industry professionals. Being a Singer/Songwriter, Musician and Recording Artist and Now Author, Los Angeles has a great appeal. I like the feel of it, everyday is a new adventure. And you're right Derek optimism is a way of life out there. I fit in out there, where I live now in MN most people here who've never been to LA say they don't like it because of the bad stuff they've heard, not considering bad stuff is happening all around them while they speak. I felt like living in LA was the closest thing to living in another country. This is a timely article Derek and puts things in perspective for me.

I was born in Torrance, raised in Rancho Palos Verdes, studied at UCLA, and lived in the LA area until I was 40. I have long known that what you say in this article is true. But now that I have lived in Chicago for 5 years, I can see by contrast HOW true these things are, and how profoundly different from other cities LA is. Your insights about not judging are excellent.

L.A. is the firstest with the worstest. If you can make it there, not many folks will care (sorry Frank) L.A. is quickly turning into a museum piece of what the American Art scene use to be. The truth is, the new L.A. is cyberspace. New Rock Stars are being born and catapulted into space from their basement in Rhinelander Wisconsin via YOUTUBE. I lived in the Marina for a year. My neighbor was Elliot Gould. I think every entertainer should live in L.A. for a year. Being from Northern California, I was able to cut through the plasticity of L.A. easier than people from say, RHINELANDER WISCONSIN. (Did I mention I once performed in Rhinelander)? I never owned a beamer or a PORSH-UH (first day theree I recieved the tutuorial on the enunciation of the german auto maker)so I was just a lo-life. I drove a Ford Bronco like O.J. did. Nothing brings back the sounds of Vietnam like the LAPD flying thru your neighborhood after a show (3:00AM) Looking for a perp. Then you can turn on your TV and actually see what street the perp is running down. Sometimes it's best to wait until you no longer hear the "ghetto birds" before you go out to your parking space to get the rest of your gear.

Never go to an ATM after dark. Even if you're walking in the neighborhood of an ATM keep an eye over your shoulder. If you must go into a bank, never drive straight home. If you must, keep an eye in your rear view mirror. It's always best to stop at the police station on the way home from the bank. If some one bumps into your car from behind, lock your car doors, don't get out, and make sure that you left room between the your front bumper and the car in front of you, as the "youths" who bumped you are probably exiting their vehicle with Glocks. This is when the sidewalk becomes an emergency passing lane.

I think that's most of what I remember from L.A......... Cio Babe !

Awesome article! Thank you for posting :-)

Don't just think of it as people trying to survive. Think of it as a city of villages but also a city of millions, many of whom moved there to do creative things. Which is pretty great - if you're going to live somewhere dominated by one industry, nice that it's creative work, no?

But also there are also lots of neighborhoods, some of them huge, that aren't entertainment people - My favorite, for example, is Koreatown, a massive swath of the city that many barely know, extending nearly from Hollywood to downtown.

And I need to update you on one thing: Downtown LA is NOT a place no-one ever goes. It's blossomed like crazy, especially in the last few years (maybe too much, for some). It's got its own beautiful mess of neighborhoods - Little Tokyo, Chinatown, Bunker Hill, the Arts District, the Fashion District, and more, all of which have a character that you could define yourself in.

OK, my mayorship starts now. JK. Nice to wake up with an opportunity to boost a city so maligned and misunderstood by those who don't live here. Thanks Derek.

Thanks Derek,

And this is Mierlo near the city Eindhoven in Netherland

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Best regards
Jan

love this. When I was younger, before my self-confidence came in, I hated LA. I felt foreign and provincial there. Now, I love it. Like you said, everyone is just optimistically surviving. The pulse is unlike any other city and opportunity is... just around the corner.

Hi Derek,
Great insight, great article as usual on so many different level.
Thanks for sharing them with us.
Hope 2012 is treating you well. :)

This is very well put, and accurate on many counts, especially the points about naiive optimism and the importance of exploring both the nature and the neighborhoods of the city. I appreciate your loving take on a unique, complicated (and yes, to some, rather unlovable) metropolis.

But, because it's important for anyone considering moving to Los Angeles, I had to strongly second (sixth?) the important point made by others about Downtown being, yes, "another neighborhood", but an especially vibrant, eclectic, dense, 'urban' one (and yes I say that having also lived in Chicago, London, and New York). And from day-in-day-out residents, workers, shoppers, and students to tourists, drinkers, and new upscale loft dwellers, it is the absolute opposite of place "nobody goes." Check out the Census... or any downtown bus stop, metro station, or freeway offramp.

To that end, as again others have pointed out, there IS more to Los Angeles (yes, even to "white" "upper middle class" or "industry" Los Angeles) than the entertainment industry. You place too much emphasis on it, or rather, speak too much from that perspective I think. Sure it's big - dominant even - and I've venture to say many Angelenos of any stripe probably know someone who works in the industry at some level, but you've over-stated its impact on daily life for most people. And, especially regarding the "who you know" game and people talking about themselves, I have to say I find much of the same in New York, having (reverse)transplanted here from L.A. In my experience those are pretty common features of bourgey city life, just as, for other people, working 10+ hour days for no pay and slogging home half-asleep on public transit is common to both cities as well.

The difference, as I'm sure you'd agree, is that those two worlds overlap differently in L.A. than they do in New York. Here in Brooklyn, while I actually have less practical reason to leave the house on a daily basis than I did in L.A., I'm often on the subway or walking the streets, and my neighborhood is literally like sesame street in terms of street life and diversity. That's less common in L.A., where many people drive and also live in neighborhoods where - even when walkable, lively, and "urban" in there own way - there seems to be less of the opportunity for interaction and inter-mingling if you don't actively seek it out.

Finally, lots of love for those fellow L.A. straphangers before me who shouted out the Metro system. It's far from perfect, but the buses are extensive and the subway and light rail are growing rapidly and - considering the geographic and seismic obstacle - pretty impressively. The cycling culture there is, in its own radical way, also hard to beat.

I love the many towns without a city analogy too, and it's frankly a good way of describing the city to a newcomer. But I think one should remember that the result is still a metropolis of 15+ million people that DOES largely function as such, even if it doesn't always look and feel like it at the neighborhood level. I'd challenge anyone who doesn't think Los Angeles is a city to ride the Metro to MacArthur Park and spend an afternoon walking around Westlake and Pico-Union, hop on the bus over to Koreatown or down to the garment district, then up to Hollywood or Los Feliz (or downtown itself) for a fancy dinner and a night out, and tell me they didn't have every bit the city day one might have in London or Chicago (or Hong Kong or Mexico City). But with better weather.

Thanks for a great (and clearly provocative) post!

Well I just moved back to good old NYC! I still am fond of L.A. but will admit to you that it is the same as I have read here ;that L.A. is a series of little towns really. It is all the suburbs;much like in a way I would think of Long Island;and again I am fond of area's of L.I. N.Y. ;but will admit to you its not ALL The Hampton s and Amaganset;or Port Jefferson! Sometimes you are dealing with little towns in The Valley;that are like"Out Eastern L.I. (translation you might as well be in some small town in Texas or down south)if you are thinking differently you might in for a little disappointment.I for one grew very fond of area's in Silver Lake;Malibu(there are some great hiking and bike trails and beaches)and areas of North Hollywood.

Remember when driving, to be aware and beware of PARKING laws. An $88 ticket (I never saw) went to over $210 when they finally told me about it. Turns out 2.5 ft (the rear bumber) was hanging in a red zone, with front under a parking sign. BEWARE!!!

As always you are spot on bro. Another extremely well written post too - thank you.

@ #99. "Who you're like is often the person or job you will be or will have. Just keep going for it. You're on your way!"
...I agree with the above, and with Kurt, “You are whatever you pretend to be.” Sometimes pretending becomes reality...LA is great place for that. But if you live here, like I do, every now and then you have to go on a hike (as Derek suggests), go to the beaches, or the mountains and just enjoy reality without pretending!

In the whole world there is not a city that is as twisted as LA-I can speak from experience as all through the 1980's as a 1st call synth programmer and through the 90's and 2000's as a producer I spent alot of time there.
So much is built on status-I was always told -If you live in LA and you can afford a $20,000 car you buy a $50,000 car and if you can afford a $250,000 house you buy a $500,000 house. It is all built around a haze of unsincerity and phoniness-It's just the way it is-I have so many LA stories i could write abook about it. There are many awesome artists and musicians who live there. It is a town where another Miss Hometown gets off the bus and is looking to be a star and the phonies and preditors out there to great them. Yes much of what Derek wrote is true but there is so much more behind the scenes that happens and much of it not good
Peace, jason

i've been going back and forth to los angeles for over 20 years and i've always loved it. L.A. and NYC are the 2 extreme expressions of possible urbanism in an american context, so i can't completely agree with the take that people shouldn't expect los angeles to be a big city – NYC is also a collection of smaller towns [brooklyn was it's own incorporated city before becoming part of NYC]. los angeles in the 80s and 90s was lacking in world-class cultural institutions and many criticisms were valid, but now the city is quite vibrant and does have an angelino culture that supersedes the individual neighborhood identities. the newly developed mass transit will help unite many disparate parts of the city just as the subway did in 20th century new york. other than that, the encapsulation of the 'who you know', 'self promotional personalities', and 'flakiness' is 110% on-point and well articulated!

Well, that was a great contextualizing piece to assist me in loving my own city. Thanks Derek!

Always amazed at your insight, Derek! So. Cal is very culturally rich, but also competitive, and I believe for many, exhausting - and, fertile for deep down loneliness. On our 10 acres of heaven with garden and orchard in the rural Palomar foothills of north San Diego, our nonprofit offers private retreat spaces for short-term getaways or long term project development or healing stays for those who would benefit from the peace, quiet, and anonymity of having time and space in a natural setting. Hoping this may be of benefit to your readers. They can call me at 1-760-749-9634, Brenda Roberts, Exec Director

I was born and raised in LA, and I can confirm that half of this is true, and the other half is stuff I didn't know about LA! You over-generalized a bit, of course - almost none of my LA connections are freelancers, and almost none of them have the self-promoting attitude that you associate with freelancers. I think this disparity in our connections' tendencies is due to the neighborhoods we lived in - I lived in Montebello, which is a pretty quiet suburb, far removed from the individualistic, freelancing Hollywood.

All that said, I love this guide! I hope you write such a guide to every city you've lived in - what a useful introduction this must have been for your friend!

I moved from Long Beach to Boston to go to Berklee about a year and a half ago. People always ask me what LA is like and you've summed it up perfectly. I agree with some of the comments that a lot of other cities are a conglomerate of small towns, but you're right that LA is unique in the sense that those towns are so spread out. You are completely out of luck without a car. When I move back I'll definitely miss the amazing public transportation.

Great advice.
You would be great at doing a travel series show like Rick Steve, or Globe Trotter!

Also, I think I see So Cal differently than non-natives because it's always been my home. You've drawn a pretty accurate generalization of LA culture and attitude, but people who grow up there tend to think of it differently. Most of my friends who were born and raised in LA/OC live in their little suburb and treat the other towns like they are worlds apart. I don't know if you experienced that, but asking someone to go from Pasadena to Woodland Hills is like asking them to take a cross country road trip.

How sad so many feel that short lived superficial friendships used to promote ones career is tantamount to existing in Los Angeles. I grew up in Manhattan Beach during a time when everyone knew eachother and actually enjoyed it. As we reached the point of population density where competition overruled any sensible exsitence, then I opted out of the rat race. I am so much happier for doing so.

THE LAST TIME I VISITED LA I PROMISED MYSELF THAT I WOULD NEVER RETURN THERE. DITTO FOR LAS VEGAS.
OH, THE DEGENERATION OF THE MASS MEDIA THROWN UPON US FROM HOLLYWOOD ALL THE WAY DOWN THE TUBES TO NOWHERE. L.A.

I don't know, folks... I have met a LOT of people pretending to be rock stars and actors who are most certainly not either. KV's quote is from 1971, but he was postmodern before postmodernism. If I pretend as hard as I can to be an astronaut or a Navy Seal, I will nevertheless not become one. Some people need to be told they are not musicians and to not waste their lives. Because it's a fact, not everyone is a musician! "Follow your dream" often leads to disillusionment and bitterness, because many dreams are not achievable. For instance, my dream is to fly like Superman. Most people have as much desire and talent to write and record hit songs as I have to leap tall buildings in a single bound. They will also have the same results.

Cold water, yes. Reality, though, is an undervalued commodity. We are happiest when we are doing the things we were made to do well, while enjoying the products of others who were made to do different things. I can enjoy the movie Inception without thinking I could make a movie like that. Without feeling let down in old age that I never tried, or tried and failed. I was made to do other things. And so are most people.

Interesting. As a Canadian touring in the US from time to time, I concluded that the "optimism" factor was a US/Canadian difference. In the US, people often said such things to me as: "We will have you back to be our theme presenter at our next national conference for SURE!" and I believed them. Few of those effervescent proposals have come true, and I now understand this to be a cultural difference. A Canadian doesn't make those kinds of pronouncements - not without more thought and a glance at the budget. This "optimism" is less present in my conversations with Americans since the crash.

I agree and disagree, with all due respect. Everything you say is spot on, with one exception. Portland, Oregon is, in my experience, a remarkably open, connected, and committed community, especially when it comes to creative efforts. When someone is in need, others step up. When someone new comes in, they are welcomed, if not embraced. When someone has a vision for something that flies in the face of convention -- especially regarding the music industry -- no one diminishes any part of it. Indeed, they encourage it.

Talk about positive!

Awesome! I enjoyed this article so much I'd love to hear a similar write-up about other cities. I'm thinking about making that move to an entertainment hub. Right now I'm in the Washington DC/Baltimore area. Any insights on other major cities like New York or Miami?
I don't really have as much perspective about the other places I lived. I never really engaged with Portland or NYC as much as I did LA. In a couple years I'll be able to speak about Singapore, but not yet. — Derek

You are probably the most optimistic person I've ever met. Having been to LA myself, I did not feel as you do then and I really don't have a desire to go back there again. Perhaps it's my New York state of mind, who knows. I do, however, have a much better understanding of the people there after reading your post. I should try to be more understanding, but if you know anyone from New York City, well...you'll understand.

Hi, Derek,

When Vonnegut wrote "We are who we pretend to be," he followed it with, "So we must be careful who we pretend to be." The character he's referring to pretends to be a Nazi sympathizer. It's a cautionary statement!

Hope you're well.

Adam

Hey Derek,
Your right on about LA. I moved there in '75 from Cleveland, Ohio and I dove right in the music scene and connected. Anyone who try's it with an open mind...should really enjoy it!!! I'm now a New Yorker for the past 20 years and have done the same thing here.

Hope all is well with you.

I agree about California and optimism. I'm from New York and have lived in Seattle as well as the SF Bay Area. What gold rushers, dot-com-ers, hippies, gay refugees, would-be Hollywood actors have in common is that they put what they want to be above all practical considerations and regardless of the risks.

The paradox, I've found, is that living where such people collect actually mitigates the risk of going for it. Should your dream not work out, it's easy to find your second act, because your prospective employer or mate "gets it" that you don't have an interesting past rather than a big title and retirement fund.

Thanks for sending this, Derek ; very interesting read. I lived in this "city" for over 10 years at the beginning of my career, and was born there as well. It's a pretty amazing place, as you've written / shown in this article. It's one of those places that you would say, "I loved living there ; am totally glad I did for such a long time ; and would never move back again ! ". That sums it up for me. Been there, done that. Fun city, lots of opportunity for lots of things. Great article - thank you !

Perfect. I have been here recording for 2 weeks and it was a perfect time to read this article.

well-said. I love living in L.A.
Don't you miss it somewhat? :))
I do, yeah. Had to force myself to leave because I loved it too much. — Derek

Thanks Derek,
Hope you enjoy LA. It sounds like Melbourne. They have a freeway system that is isolating side streets to make you use (and pay high tolls, auto electronic e-tags)
Good luck,
Mark Whitty of OZ

Good article - captures the essence of LA quite well. I flit back and forth between the 03801 (NH) and 90272 (Santa Monica) and the contrast is amazing.

Interesting Information...

I was just looking at your bio as well...

I want to be you when I grow up...

~Patricia Kaehler - DomainBELL -- GabAbout

I feel strongly that this should read along the lines of:

'Not just LA, but California is the possibly the most fake place on earth, many people are passive aggressive phonies who would rather lie to your face, or flake out, than tell you their true intentions/ feelings up front.'

A few experiences I've had.
- had 250 people confirm on an event, and 30 show up - if it had been 30 confirmations, I would have brought WAY less equipment, saved myself and band members time and money.
-argued with promoters for spots on the guest list for "friends" who wanted so badly on that list, then they don't show.
-Ive been stood up by girls with bullshit day-late excuses.
-Ive put time and effort into job interviews and heard "well call you soon" and never heard back.

It's a horrible thing to accept or try to write off as sincere optimism. If this type of activity were less socially acceptable, the world might be a better place.

So Friends, Don't be pissed at me when I tell you what you don't want to hear. It's sincerity instead of sincere optimism. Say what you mean. Follow Through.

Wow. Thats a rant. :]

Derek, wonderful to read your insights and enthusiasm about the towns of greater Los Angeles - and to read the great replies from your friends around the world. I spent a year in L.A. after venturing there in 1970... in the first week after arriving my band got resigned to Columbia Records. What I remember and cherish most is the genuine kindness of everyone - neighbors, famous musicians, carrot juice vendors, landlords, and even record executives.

Thank Derek you for creating your extended family on Sivers.org and introducing us to people like Kevin Grant (#49) with his words of wisdom about life and being an artist and Dan Pohnke ( #40) who reminds us - as you do all the time - that "now is your time, open up and enjoy". Thanks Derek!

Insightful and inspiring post. And definitely the way to look at it. But here's a translation from someone who still lives here:
1. It's not really a city. Because it's actually Hell. On Earth. "Which circle of Hell do you live in?" Rich Entitled White Hills? Poor Illegal Immigrantland? Stuck-up Gaywood? Upcoming Hipster Wannabetown? No City Services Blacksville?
2. People talk about themselves a lot because they feel they have to, for survival, for self-promotion. Just like the KKK felt like they needed Jim Crow Laws.
3. Avoid the highways and take the backroads. And bring plenty of firearms and Xanax!
4. Get into nature often. Because, you know, who actually works for a living?
5. In LA, it's who you know. (definition of "know": "blow," "met at a party," or "saw at the gym.")
6. The most optimistic place on earth. Just like Disneyland! Or North Korea. Or Jonestown. Or Waco, Texas.

Thanks for the insights! My son just moved there to work in film and all is going well. I hope to visit soon as I can get some time off and, despite being a small town kind of a guy am really looking forward to all the little neighborhoods!

Oh Derek, always a pleasure to hear from you! This is very inspiring and positive. Thank you for taking me on this virtual tour of the heart and soul of LA. The mode of existence for an artist seems to be perpetually in survival mode. I'm very appreciative of your observations. It does seem to be the case everywhere that 'it's who you know' and who they know too. That also says that one can not be too shy in LA. I'd be concerned about housing cost, fires, mud slides and earthquakes, to be perfectly honest. But the weather there does seem to offset all of that!!

I had the fortune to go to LA some years ago. I'll never forget getting off the plane from a cold winter's climate to see beautiful flowers all around, the palm trees and the absolutely gorgeous weather out there. It was difficult to go back east into the cold of February. I am also inspired by the many comments here, of pro and con of LA. I got up to 142 and stopped at the link there to Mark King's Radio. I loved their songs and love what they're doing. LA from that vantage point is very exciting to me.

Thanks again Derek! Much love to ya!!

Been to LA many, many times. Hate the freeways! Always--ALWAYS--take the road less travelled. I've found the best stuff off the beaten track: burritos the size of footballs, the neatest, quirkiest antiques shops, bookstores to die for, diners and dives galore, beautiful churches, amazing people. Be open to the experience! And p.s. EVERY city is nothing more than a collection of neighborhoods that somebody drew a circle around and called something else. Take the roads less travelled there, too, and find the same awesomeness!

I moved to LA about 1.5 years ago after 10 years in Atlanta. I'm from Long Island, originally though.

I think points 2 and 5 are only an issue if you hang out with entertainment people. As others have said, though, that's not all of LA. In my experience, it isn't even MOST of LA. It's entirely possible to find genuine friendships and cool people here who aren't all about self-promotion. Seriously. But when you meet that person, remember: they're probably just trying to make rent.

One final piece of advice: the benefit to a city of LA's size is that there are SO MANY WAYS to experience Los Angeles. You can do the hipster thing, the foodie thing, the art thing, or the rocker thing. You can work in fashion or finance. You can hike or hang on the beach. There's really a lot to do here and a lot of ways to do it.

I always tell people I did my time in Los Angeles, 20 years actually. Los Angeles is for those under 45 years old.
Leaving LA was the best thing that ever happened to me, although there is plenty I miss, like the food and massages.

I was raised in L.A. until eleven years old and then came back to "make it" in the music industry in my early twenties. I couldn't stand it. The agents were leacherous, the other musicians I met at open mics could hardly carry on a conversation. It felt like a cultural wasteland. sorry.

Thank you for that! I am a former resident of L.A., moved to O.C. to raise the kid thing and then tried to get even further away and moved to S.D. But the L.A. culture followed me throughout S. CA. (yes, it infects the whole of S. CA) Your insights into why everyone is fake and flaky is spot on although not really an excuse. Still, in all sincerity, I have a bit more sympathy after reading your post.

My thoughts on L.A.
I agree with Geoffrey Smith that this advice could apply to most large cities or areas (except for the collection of cities making up L.A.), by living in so many different places (among them L.A. for a while), I've found that most people everywhere highly value "who you know", and with the economic downturn more are independant workers and thus need to promote themselves incessantly (Linkedin-like).
You left out one of the greatest things in L.A. for me and that's the food ... such a cornucopia of fare from different countries (my fave : the Cuban restaurant, 'The Versailles" in West L.A.) and the incredible cultural opportunities to see almost any show/concert ...
However, this comes with a caveat : I lived in L.A. from '89 to '91 and also felt like Katie Ketchum that it was a cultural wasteland when I also moved there to "make it" in the music business ... I didn't have the wherewithal and the patience to continue living there and moved back to France where, as I musician I was paid to play instead of having to pay to play in L.A.

This is an excellent guide overall, though it unfortunately espouses the myopic and highly inaccurate view of Los Angeles as a city of and for young and predominantly U.S.-born "creative types" who work in the entertainment industry. For those of you planning to move to Los Angeles for other purposes, take it from this Angeleno that you will be in good company among the vast majority of us who both stay far away from the entertainment industry and find most transplants who move here to work in it to be irritating (but amusing, when viewed from a distance).

One thing is certain, truth lies in the eye of the beholder after having read all takes on LA.
Another as well, what you put out there is what comes back to you.
Thank you.Derek.

Been living in Los Angeles for four years. Derek is right on...60 towns looking for a city and all with their own vibe. All the plastic flake rep is true. BUT had I not moved here I would not have found a publisher and had songs placed on True Blood etc. No city like it but I'm heading back to the
Midwest...that's home and I got what I needed and did my time in Los Angeles.

incisive as usual !

I JUST FLIPPED ON EVERYONE WHO WAS FAKE....
and all the flakes got dusted off...

Thanks for the insight. Thanks for sharing.

You sure pegged L.A. in your description. My old haunting grounds. BTW I have a new CD out "Mirror Of Soul" See!.. the self-promotion never ends. Once you get started it's hard to stop!

What a kind description of the people of Los Angeles. I appreciate that because my husband is an actor and playwright in Northern California and had a bad experience the year he lived in L.A. and had to get out of there for his sanity. People seemed so shallow. But in retrospect it is nice to read your re-frame and kindness toward people, understanding this is survival for them. And, yes, we are optimistic in Northern California, too.

P.S. LOL I see Betsy Grant self-promoted in the entry before me, so I will say to readers, check out my book published by HarperCollins about your Enneagram type and your career and how to find the most fulfillment in life using your greatest strengths! http://www.careerwithinyou.com/ :-)

Thanks Derek! :) @ Rob Rodell, niiice one!

I'm from the north-side of Santa Monica.
Graduated from SAMOHI in 84...
Went to school with famous dudes like
Charlie Sheen, Sean Penn, and Robert Downey Jr.
Man, I could tell you a million stories about growing up in
Los Angeles!

Hey Derek,

This is great insight to share. I have been here for six years, and it is indeed a love/hate relationship. This is a place that is everything and nothing at the same time. As someone who has traveled extensively, I can say with certainty that there is no other city quite like L.A.

The only other bit of advice that I would add, especially for the creatives, is that you are well-served to have a steady source of income. One can move here with all of the aspirations in the world, but this is not a cheap place to be, which we all know. Life here is not just fun in the sun, and achieving success in your craft may very well take longer than you expect or hope. Yes, you may even arrive with a decent amout of cash saved, as several of my friends and I did, but you will be astonished at how quickly it goes, once you secure housing, pay for gas and other basics, and just simply find your footing in this incomparable place. Therefore, be prepared and have as much education and as many marketable skills as possible, so that you can enjoy all that the city has to offer, as well as your creative journey without the stress of constantly having to cobble money together for basics each month.

Of the five people I know who moved out here when I did, I am the only one who remains. Upon reflection, it wasn't because the others lacked talent or drive. In fact, many of them had more immediate success than I when it came to booking gigs, securing agents and getting auditions. The apparent difference was when those avenues slowed down for them, they had few options that allowed them to earn a steady income significant enough for them to maintain basic needs. I was the only one with a degree and experience working in various business environments.

You really put yourself in a vulnerable position, especially if you are female, if you come here to pursue your dreams without other marktetable skills.

Ciao Derek,
whenever there will be a "Derek Sivers County" whereever in the world, I want to move there and meet all the people/friends of yours, which writes comments here ;-)
The L.A. article is in a way helpful for every cities, big or small, cause it tells to keep on with optimistic ways of thinking. There is always a story behind people and why they behave like they do.
The goal cannot be to understand everybody, but at least to take everything in a positive way. Thinking positive and being optimistic is what makes us grow.

Greetings from Potsdam,
Annette

YES! Every year I live in LA (12 & counting) I love it more. Today I had lunch in Echo Park & "discovered" two jewels; the best tamales in LA & an incredible healthy lunch oasis. Plus a "secret" view of downtown to rival any in the city. All because I went exploring. Fantastic advice, Derek. AGAIN

Third generation CA LA and in the 70s LA was meca and a great place to live, it is now an over rated hell hole in decline. If you are single LA is tolerable if you want to reporduce it is hell and there much better places to raise a family. One of the turn offs was LA is full of classic want to be actors and 90% go no where, the show and BS dominates

Good Advice Derek, as they say "when in Rome do as Romans"J

Los Angeles is whatever you expect it to be. It is self-fulfilling. If you only hang around shallow bottom-feeders and Industry types, you are only going to see the shallow end. There is MUCH more here than meets the derisive outsider glance, but a person has to be willing to learn, and has to be able to look past their own assumptions and prejudices.

I've lived in various cities from the high desert to inland empire to Burbank and Studio City since the 80s, and have a very difficult time picturing myself living any other state/region. Currently, I live in a very small, insular and rural community 32 miles north of Hollywood. Think, farms and horse properties. I have a micro farm that produces fruit and produce for myself, friends and family. That is one of the greatest things about southern California - whatever flavor you like, we have it, and it's about 40 minutes away from anywhere you happen to be. You can ski in the morning during spring and then drive to the beach and kick it in the warmth the same afternoon. I can grow year-round. Jeans and a t-shirt are a 12-month uniform. I love it here.

Dear Derek,

The fact that you have lived there makes you much more qualified than me to speak good, bad or indifferent about LA, but being unemployed, and not having a lot of money I doubt it would do me much good. California may have some very nice people, but the state is in enormous debt, and there's entitlement going on out there. California is a blueprint for what the rest of this great country will be like if we don't reign in the wasteful spending that's going on in DC. And worse than that if we keep going down the road of 16 Trillion dollar debt the United States could end up like Greece, my friend. What kind of a future are we handing off to our kids?! I'm an independent and a libertarian, and I don't think big government is the answer, and California, and I'm sure LA, too is in deep with a bad economy. If one is not pretty wealthy I couldn't in good faith say move to California. Also, generally I'm not impressed with the stars in Hollywood. Many of them are far left cool aid drinker's, and are not as tolerant as they would like you and me to believe. Again I don't want to make any sweeping overgeneralizations, but I'm saddened by what has happened to California's economy, and it should be a wake up call to the rest of this great nation. Many blessing to you, Derek. Your friend, Clay

Truer words were never written. Just keep in mind that if you're going to LA to create or pitch an entertainment project then LA is not as much a city as it is one giant business district. So these are simply the established Rules of the Road. And speaking of roads, unless you have a death wish, you might consider staying OFF Mulholland Dr. after dark. (I'm still in therapy over that little "experiment".)

So thanks again Derek. Your posts are invaluable.

Your friend,
Thomas Pecora

I haven't lived there, thank you for all the comments, it seems LA is simply defined by personal experience and offers a reflection of what you bring.

I've lived in L.A. my entire adult life, 30+ years. If I could offer just one piece of advice to someone wanting to move here, it would be this:

Don't.

I don't say this "meanly", but practically: The single biggest problem in L.A. is that there are simply too many people living here.

So why do I continue to live here? The entertainment business. I pretty much have to because of my job. And unless you are similarly compelled for your livelihood, I'd suggest thinking twice.

Failing that, or if because of circumstances, you HAVE to live in L.A., here's my second best piece of advice:

Be very, very picky about where you choose to live in L.A. Not because the city is a patchwork of good and bad neighborhoods, which it is (sometimes in surprisingly close proximity), but because you're going to be spending a LOT of time in your small, local, chosen area of L.A.

Why?

Because it's hell getting anywhere else.

This is the not-so-secret secret of L.A. - and I can't believe a discussion about moving here doesn't include this as the upfront, ALL CAPS, blaring headline:

L.A. has the worst traffic in America.

You already knew that? Maybe on an intellectual level, but not a visceral one. Don't just shrug it off. Getting from point A to point B in the vast sprawl of L.A. is often a soul-sucking nightmare. And it's only gotten worse - far worse - in the last 10 years or so.

Ever taken 45 minutes to inch 2.5 miles on the freeway? This is a DAILY occurrence in L.A. They used to call it "rush hour", but "rush hour" doesn't really exist anymore in L.A. - because "rush hour" now means ANYTIME of the day (and often night). It never lets up. Weekday, weekend, it no longer matters. And it's not just accidents that can bring traffic to a dead stop. It's much simpler than that: IT'S JUST TOO MANY CARS.

So you'd better like the neighborhood you pick.

Oh, and BTW, good luck affording a house there.

Welcome to The City of Angels!

Well, pretty much nailed it.

I always wanted to hate L.A. because sometimes its easier when you have less options. And I didn't want to love L.A. and want to stay forever.

So instead, I still love L.A. but forced myself to keep wandering, to keep growing.

Such a great place though!

Hello Derek
Good letter,But I always find real people where ever, I go.
Sure their s a lot of flakes all over, no matter what or where we go.
I love LA and Las Vegas my two favorite places in the world, when you have money and I have been all over the world.

Much Love Richard Spasoff

Oh sure, NOW you tell me!! Where were you when I moved here 18 mos ago?? :-)

"Flake". The casual habit of blowing smoke up people's asses and abdicating any notion of interpersonal responsibility as "optimism" is a new one on me. As is self centered and materialistic career climbing painted as just the way things are done, just an effervescent reality.

LA is sociopath paradise, just plunder the people and environment around you and move on to another location again and again and again, its all interchangeable.

L.A. can be fun. Lots and lots to do and see if you like to stay in perpetual motion. IF you don't get stabbed and don't suffer from agoraphobia and don't mind living half your life in a car, and if you accept it as a shallow smorgasbord of shallow people and shallow experiences, then it's like a lot of fast food all the time.

If you want to feel rooted, and like to know friends and community members deeply and well without the myriad of status totems and casual treacheries that substitute for human interaction in LA, go elsewhere, they won't miss you.

Hey Derek, As a Realtor in L.A., I often have clients who are relocating from other parts of the country who want to lease a three bedroom house with a pool, in West Hollywood or Beverly Hills near good schools for $1,500 a month. Of course, I then have the task educating them on the local market and managing their expectations. There was someone who recently said he had a 60-90 day fund for his move (including rent, utilities, etc.). When I asked him how much was in that fund, he said $2,000. He wasn't very happy (and I don't think he believed me) when I told him that may just get him into a studio and get the utilities on.

Additionally, a friend said she needed to make some extra money, so she'd just "pick up" a waitress job at a high end restaurant. I asked how much experience she had and if her resume was ready. She thought I was joking about how difficult it is to "pick up" a waitressing job until they made her take an exam.

I'm a third generation native and would never live anywhere else. I sometimes just feel horrible for people who accept jobs and then move here without the company having given them the appropiate information regarding their move.

Live in Santa Monica, work in downtown LA (where many people go for many different reasons) and have a muligenerational LA family.

All that said, I agree with CF.

The weather is amazing, the towns are eclectic and interesting. The people are shallow, flakey and insincere.

Gosh I wish I had read this seven years ago when I moved to LA from San Francisco. I might have stayed longer. Of course, this was just published yesterday...

Good advice Derek, as usual.

Good points,
Love your enthusiasm and optimism.

hi derek!
I'm a native Angelo and I've never read such a well written, realistic, yet respectful assessment of LA. It also reinforces how "LA" I can be which can sometimes be good and sometimes be not so good. Hope you're doing well.

Agree with what commenters are saying about downtown. It has great nightlife thanks to Downtown Art Walk, amazing bars such as the Edison, Seven Grand, Library Bar, and popular restaurants like Bottega Louis and Wurstkuche. Not to mention Little Tokyo and the Nokia/Staples Center area. The big loft conversion effort in the mid-2ooos has filled downtown with residents. And downtown's getting a Target soon; no clearer marker of "the times they are are a-changing."
Great. Thanks for the update, everyone. All that said, I think I was unclear in that line. I never meant NOBODY goes there, I just meant that MOST people don't go there, the same way that MOST people don't go to Venice, MOST people don't go to Eagle Rock, MOST people don't go to Pacific Palisades, etc. It's just another neighborhood. Yes, people do go there, but I thought it was important to contrast this somewhat-unique thing about LA, since MOST cities have a single downtown area that is kind of the axle of the wheel, you know? LA is rare in how extremely de-centralized it is. — Derek

Hi Derek, Loved your generous, helpful article. I should have gone there in the seventies to busk and write some of my songs! Good to have met you at the London Troubadour. Keep smiling.

Agree with most, but a lot of what you said I think pertains to the stereotypical 'entertainment industry' type person. Most of the people I know do not do the 'who i know' thing, and would try to avoid those people as much as possible.

Lastly, I do have to disagree about "most people never go to dowtown". When I first moved here 12 years ago I lived in DTLA and yes it was an absolute ghost town after 7 pm and on the weekends, but now it is completely different. There's actually lots of people living, visiting, even walking around; plenty of great restaurants, bars (Perch!), nightclubs, one of the best ralph's in LA, lots of energy and YES, people WALKING around. I never thought I'd see the day, but DTLA is no longer the place nobody goes to.

Absolutely agree with everything. I had a slightly different take on the optimism thing. When I first moved to LA to work in the Film Industry, I would interview for a job or a gig and walk out feeling like I NAILED IT. They LOVED me. And then be very confused when I heard nothing and found out they'd hired someone else.

Here's what I figured out. In the film industry (and probably the music industry as well), you never know when the PA bringing you coffee or the person you're interviewing for this gig will be the one hiring YOU for the next gig. So everybody is very NICE to you. It doesn't really mean anything. They just don't want to offend anyone who could be hiring them next week....

So, yes doesn't really mean yes and we love your work, really just means - I want you to like me so that I don't accidentally burn a bridge I'll want to cross next month.

BTW - I used to love finding a different way to get to where I was going, every time I went there. The options were seemingly endless!

All these comments have been so helpful...it's great to hear all perspectives on LA. I am currently packing up 23 years of living in the same house and moving from South Florida to Los Angeles where my daughter has been living for 5 years...she loves it there and has been bugging me to move and...the time has finally arrived. It's good to have more than one source of information on the city so thanks!

That makes so much sense. I've been to LA only once and hated it - but only because I didn't understand it.

As for Californians being optimistic - that's one way to see it. It's also flakey! :)

All these comments have been so helpful...it's great to hear all perspectives on LA. I am currently packing up 23 years of living in the same house and moving from South Florida to Los Angeles where my daughter has been living for 5 years...she loves it there and has been bugging me to move and...the time has finally arrived. It's good to have more than one source of information on the city so thanks!

Thank you again for a timely universal reminder. Bless you with your sweet self.

This was very powerful. Thanks for this insight. I really enjoyed reading this. It remind me of people who judge a person before they get to know them. This is not right, but this is America where we have the freedom to do anything. All you basically asked was for people to come and explore LA to the max. Experience what you seen, feel, and learned. I find it more effective when I take the time to learn new ways to do the same things.

Again thanks. I've thought about moving to LA once before, but other people's experience blocked this idea. Now I know why. They had no clue really.

Thanks

KJeih

Hi Derek,

I used to look down my nose at L.A. (though I always liked the weather) but have come to like it (mostly). Though it is a totally different lifestyle and let's face it, the weather has a lot to do with it, it really can be a great place to live I think! Generally I think we New Yorkers really suffer through a lot in comparison. But I also think we Manhattanites know what we have and know that you are not going to find as much of everything in any other city. Yes, L.A. has a lot to offer but really, you're mostly speaking of a vast area around southern California. And you DO really have to do a lot of driving to get around to these places. I was there a couple years ago when they had that 5. something earthquake and was terrified. I was out of the house in 3 seconds. But when I came back in my L.A. friends were laughing at me! They didn't even move apparently! So there's always that danger too. I know, people laugh at this. But as I was in a silly "debate" a while ago with a friend from L.A., he made his point with this:
1) within two hours' driving proximity to beautiful beaches, mountains, and deserts: a nature-lover's wonderland.
2) gloriously temperate weather, but still having enjoyable helpings of rain, gloom, and cold.
3) an ample presence of art house and revival movie theaters--even more than NYC.
4) so many trees and foliage in most neighborhoods (but especially So Pas): pine trees next to palms, oaks, etc.
5) dazzling variety of rural/suburban architecture: craftsman, victorian, spanish, italian, and modern.
6) an ever-burgeoning diversity of culture, where lower income populations mingle with the more affluent--even in the same neighborhoods.
7) complete restaurant and food eclecticism, which is not, at the same time, cost-prohibitive.
8) antiques market--purportedly the best in the country
9) farmers market days springing up everywhere
10) classical Hollywood cinema heritage

Hi Derek.
I had the chance to live in LA with my friends for one month. It's exactly like what you described. However, I love it. That city is alive. I totally agree with you, everyone should "dive in and live it like a local". Thanks for the post :)

This was a fun post Derek. It's funny that I've been to LA so many times but never really considered the fact that all the different neighborhoods are like their own city. You learn something new everyday :)

Fun stuff. I lived in L.A. for 6 years, moved there and had good success instantaneously. I Absolutely loved it as I was the equivalent of the bumblebee in the blind lemon video and found my other bumblebees swarming in L.A. I was riveted by the opportunity the 1st year. I was so burned out on the entertainment industries presence the 2nd year though that I couldn't wait to get out. I just wanted my mechanic to fix my car, and my waiter not to introduce himself as "cappaccino".

I find that your article says more about Derek than it does about L.A. and I completely agree with it.

thank you for being the inspiring you that you are!

Its quite freaky because last week my daughter went to meet a vocal coach who trained and lived in LA for years and he spent most of the time praising himself, his connections and how well he is doing! My daughter was totally confused and only after reading this article she understood where he was coming from!

So I'm late as usual in responding to your fabulous postings.

I've never really given much thought about LA to be honest so I almost didn't read this... unAmerican I know...however, Cali I've thought about because I go SD often with the entrepreneurial spirit. Enjoyed the educational value of post very much and many of the humorous comments that followed.

My question is what prompted you to write this post about LA? You felt inspired for some reason and I was hoping you'd say in the post. But alas...(sniff)...disappointment overshadowed the ending for me.

Now I get it! We were there for the American Choral Directors of America shin dig many moons ago. Didn't have too much time but between rehearsals and concerts we got to do a tour and drove around checking things out for ourselves. Had I known the details you presented it would have made more sense to me at the time.
If opportunity presents itself we may do it again with your wisdom in mind and take some time to dig around a bit more. Cheers.

As someone with a dark, sarcastic sense of humor, I found #6 to be quite true and rather confusing at first.

As a lover of amazing weather and apocalyptic absurdity, Los Angeles never disappoints.

I do find Downtown wonderful, albeit dicey on certain blocks after hours. It has the area's most condensed art scene.

I was born in CA but raised in Northern VA & attended college in NC & VA. Returned to CA in 1974 to the South Bay Area where I eventually bought real estate (home) five minutes from the beach. I owned rental income plus many assets from boat to RV, cars & vans.
Due to my work in music I was paid to play and I worked in & around Los Angeles because there was always work for me to contract. I did the contracting and a list can be found online plus my business was established to help others learn about this very business that supported me at www.cjp-nhrecords.com.
Fact is I also traveled around the USA often for work and in 2004 to 2007 I was in Europe for my business. I often had to explain to many Europeans about the Los Angeles area being exactly as Derek said: A series of towns that butt up to one another and the street signs change when driving in or out of one or the other.
After a bit of time navigation of the areas to drive through or around becomes helpful knowledge.
For the business of music in Los Angeles like any big city or any business really it's networking helps in many ways but not really WHO you know but more about KNOWING the business. The fish bowl is large in NY, Miami, Los Angeles, Chicago, and other large cities for talent. Earning a living making music can be accomplished anywhere like a doctor practicing medicine if you educate yourself. That goes for traveling to a new area or city anywhere in the world which is inspirational to most artists and necessary part of a career in making music. But that is only my humble lifetime working in music business opinion:)
Greatest thing about CA is that one day you can be at the ocean, drive up to the mountains & see snow, then down to the desert which is diversity not only in landscape but in the citizens of this Golden State of our great United States of America.

One thing to remember is that there are places you cannot arrive at on certain times of the day.
I had a friend who taught at USC. He would schedule meetings at 9 am. I could go early and get there at 8:15... or I could try to get there at 9:00 and end up getting trapped in traffic and arriving 30 minutes late. But I could never actually arrive at 9. I'm sure there are lots of places like that.

I don't really know anyone in California but I feel that your #6 is a strange rationalization of flakey behavior. If a person would rather stay in the comfort of their own home instead of owning up to their promise to help your project, then they are not the kinds of people I would want in my life.

You said that Steve Jobs dissed you. Yet he was born and raised in California. Was he also just being overly optimistic when he initially told you he'd help with your project?

Loved it! Lived in LA from 1998-2006 and can totally relate. Being from Boston and having lived in Seattle And Toronto, I have to say that LA is NOT like other cities and has a completely unique feel ....as it should with all it's glorious narcissism:-) I love LA! Although I'm a New Englander at heart.

Derek:

You have so nailed it with this piece. As the former head of marketing for Universal Pictures I know just where you're coming from. My book I emailed you about months ago is now out nationally ( available at all the usual places) and doing well. It's called aptly Wild Thymes: Catering to the Egos of the Hollywood Elite. After being gone from LA and the industry for the past 15-years I am still amazed at how much Hollywood behind-the-scenes stories involving the famous and the infamous continue to have such appeal - even in light of cyber space. So - let me tell you about me......oh forget it - just read my book. Funny stories - all true - as I was there.

Seriously, to whomever is moving to LA. Keep your sense of humor, live in Santa Monica, walk the three miles on Ocean Avenue every night - and laugh a lot. It can be a fun town.

Of course note that neither Derek or I live there anymore.

Don't forget the Catch 22 of show biz. As a performer this is a fine line to walk...People usually want to support you if your already connected or happening in LA. They want to be a part of it or somehow connect so they can use your contacts to further their career or even steal your ideas. The reality is there is a lot of back-stabbing in the entertainment business. / Once upon a time people thought it was important to be a "Man of your word." I still strive for this and surround myself with people with this quality. Building relationships anyplace, anywhere is what it's all about. It's been said "Your lucky to have two or three real friends in a lifetime." Optimism is a good quality if that is what you want to call narcissism...

Great Article. Thanks for sharing.
Well, I met YOU in LA and as I remember you were intending to run a company called CD Baby at the time. Since you are no longer doing that, does that make you any less an Angeleno? Any less interesting?... and just look at all those contacts! You rock.
I loved the Buddhist approach of seeing things in equanimity. We are all mirrors of each others'dream endlessly gaining insights from each other, and radiating light back into the big picture.Each, an intricate part of the whole.

I had the unique experience in 1980 to travel as the staff guitarist for the Circus VARGAS Band { with an actual 3 ring tent top circus!}and 6 months of that was spent in LA playing in a different "TOWN" in LA every 3 days. What an education.
Though I wasn't able to get away from the show as much as I would have liked , the constant 40-60 mile jump every 3 days,really illustrated the vast cultural diversity within the circle called LA... and how vast that circle really is.
Being from the Bay Area I wasn't that much into the culture at the time but I learned to love certain aspects of it AND some of the geography...and the women -ROCKED! They don't call it the City of Angels for Nothin"!
Also, my only time spent in LA was making a LIVING doing what I LOVE, only more successfully so I wasn't distracted by trying to " get there". I was where I wanted to be.
There definitely was an air of " who You know", however , among musicians in LA... But I knew some cool people so never felt disadvantaged by that attitude, but I never did use my contacts for survival, I was in a very fortunate position and surviving very well at the time.
Not sure I can say that now and yet I feel far more " me" now at 60 than I ever did then at 29-30.
It was appreciated, your approach to look beyond appearances and put yourself into another's picture. Thanks for sharing your wisdom!

Hi Derek,
I can say that a great way to look around a new city, that covers more ground than walking and burns more fat, is go for a jog. Going down random streets & alleys is a geat way to soak in the sights and experiences.
I went to the last Berkshire Hathaway meeting in Omaha, and that town turned out to be a great place for jogging, with the hills coming up from the Missouri River.

I'm the one who asked Derek about Los Angeles in the first place, but I never expected him to write an article about it, HA HA!

My only disagreement is with #6 on the list, "people flake", and why. People don't like to say "No" in Los Angeles because everyone and anyone, could blow up and become a HUGE star, or contact at any moment! There IS NO PLACE ON EARTH, Where people can sky rocket up the social/financial ladder faster, than in Los Angeles. People don't want to say no for that reason. Also, IT'S A HUGE PLACE! So since everybody lives so spread out, it can be difficult to stick to an invitation to an event when you know you're going to need to drive for over an hour to get there.

Also, What WAS left out of the article, is that you'll never find a place in the world, and I include ALL of California in this, where the people are more adventurous, risk taking, and unafraid to actually DO SOMETHING! They don't just hem and haw all week and fizzle out. They take NEW ideas and bring them to life! THAT is Los Angeles! For all the "BS", they STill bring it, and they bring it hard like no other place in the world!

Last thing left out, is that most of the Los Angeles people are very spiritual, and trust in a higher power, and they listen to that inner voice, that positiveness, to guide them. I think that's a good thing. :)
Very nice perspective! Really good point. I agree. Thanks for adding this. — Derek

I love LA! Great insight...

Very interesting summary of L.A., I haven't been there yet but I am sure my path will lead me there sooner or later.

This is probably great advice if you want to be an actor, work in the regular music industry, or make films.

But if you want to come to Los Angeles and just be your amazing self and meet incredible, thoughtful, creative people without worrying about playing games (and I know Derek is pointing the way through games for the more "traditional" LA worlds) ... we're all here.

Check out this amazing happening in LA, with conscious, thoughtful, fully expressed human beings interested only in being themselves and giving you (unnecessary though appreciated) permission to do the same:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Grateful-Fridays-Return-to-Abundance/167553236648567

And it just goes on from there. So much love and community here in Southern California. Just come and look between the obvious. It's all here. : )

We live in Toronto, Canada! My 21 year old son, Jon Bekker, arrived in LA today after a week in New York at the Tribeca Film Festival. Perfect timing, I read your article and thought what a perfect explanation of LA, such great timing, sent him what I thought was an SMS, and next thing discovered, I'd sent a tweet from my mobile! Wow! Good thing the contents were nothing personal. In a subsequent tweet, I cleared it all up and referenced your article. I'm blushing and laughing at the same time!

And one more thing, DEREK IS A *!!%^ BADASS MAN!!!!

I don't plan to move to California any time soon, but it would be a nice place to visit. Thanks for the heads-up, I can pass this along to someone who maybe thinking about moving there one day.

Great article. Also very useful for firsttime LA visitors ;)

"...the side effect of sincere optimism...", this sums it up 4 me in so few words...
thanx 4 sharing.... i am guilty of this and have been called flakey down in the south east of Texas 4 this very reason, and this helps me 2 understand... As i have tried 2 explain myself b4 over this to those who have missed my company... As it truly was the side-effect of my sincere optimism...

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Thanks Derek! I've never been there, but I think I would absolutely enjoy it. For maybe a year or two. Or perhaps three. Points #4 and 6 would be for me :-)

I onlye read the first few comments and Geoffrey Smith said that your description of LA could be just anywhere else on the planet - well, definitely not, if I am asked.

Having lived in Budapest, Vienna, Zurich, Munich, London, Manchester and Stockholm (currently here), all these cities are quite different from these points here.

"We are healthy only to the extent that our ideas are humane." Kurt Vonnegut

Lost Angeles is like the story of the blind men and the elephant. Those that hang out by a leg, will describe the beast as a pillar. Those that touch the trunk will say it is like a tree branch. Those that are feeling the tail will think it is a rope. Those that feel the ear will find it to be like a fan. Those that touch the belly will think they are at a wall.

Great synchronicity once again. I had just finished reading a newsletter from a hipster I had met a party in Echo Park. After skimming through paragraph after paragraph of self aggrandizement, my usual glass half full feeling tanked, and I sat here wondering why I couldn't be an accomplished self-promoter like this artist.

Am I just a bitter 'been there - done that'? Or I am finally awakening to the fact that we all have innate worth that cannot be subtracted or added to?

What I loved about the writing style of Kurt Vonnegut, is that he was able to balance between the harshness of the hell holes we self create with the hope of heaven that exists within our imagination.

With an open heart and the mind of an eight year old, Los Ageless can be a magical journey worth taking. : ) : ) : ) Oh, I am feeling better already.

Hey! Me again!

Typos were intended.

AND I forgot to say THANK YOU Derek! Always inspiring and invigorating!

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This articles prods me to write something about Delhi (India) on similar lines. What will I tell if someone asks me advice on Delhi? Hmm. On the other hand what if this articles prods 100s of people to write about their city and those articles further inspires 100s other in chain. We will get real feedback on every city.
Thanks.

Excellent post, Derek. Having moved from Boston and living all over California myself, I whole heartedly agree with your assessment of LA. I actually consider the OC, Riverside County, San Diego, and Ventura "the suburbs", given that a lot of folks eventual settle down out there after a stint in LA..... Kind of like Boston within the T's reach and Boston suburbs where you need a car (including New Hampshire, Vermont, etc.).

One thing that has help me emmensely is being fluent in Spanish. Not too long ago, California was Mexico, and everything from the towns & street names to the food & people behind the scenes are are much more accepting of you when you speak the language.

Someone needs to write a New York City version of this. Derek, glad to know you're still killin' it. Great to hear from you and thankful you shared this. I lived in Beverly Hills for 6 months on a project and wished I had this advice.

awesome article!! Thanks for sharing !!!!

you are SO on the money with this article! i will be forwarding this to anyone i know planing a move to LA.

I appreciate this post, and have been addicted to the comments the past few evenings. As someone who grew up in the Eastern US thinking LA was the promised land, my first visit in 1990 did not disappoint. I find it visually stimulating and have always wanted to live there (although I am not in music or entertainment industry). In 2008 I visited and bought "Walking LA" and just parked on some side streets and walked/took pictures. It was a great experience.

The place still fascinates me, but I have heard so many horror stories about crime that I'm not sure if I still would move there. These comments offer some great pro's and con's. Thanks to all!

There are many faces of LA. Best advise it to find someone who has lived here and very familiar with the area. I live in Palos Verdes and it is stunning.
Horses, golf, ocean, night life, culture, fantastic restaurants and of course the Lakers, Dodgers and Kings.
I am a real estate agent, so I need to know the area very well. If anyone is interested in a tour of our gorgeous area let me know. Who knows you may find the home of your dreams here.
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Hope to help you enjoy this fantastic area.
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Hello guys.
I'm an italian boy. I traveled a lot around the world...Every city I visited have some of the things that you describe .
Now I'm moving to Pelermo (in Sicily), I want to talk to people, I want to know their thoughts, their feelings. It's the only way to know a city I guess.
But I also think ... how many people you know in a lifetime? people who know are the ones that give you the idea of ​​the world you live in? In Italy there was a writer (Italo Calvino), who wrote a book on this subject, LE CITTA' INVISIBILI (Invisible Cities). I do not know if it was translated into English but it is worth knowing.
Greetings to evrerybody :-)

Also people in LA don't have a problem eating healthy.

Guys eat salads. Girls eat salads.

Everyone looks good.

( Culver City) Johnny's Pastrami at 1:00 am
don't forget the rings!

YUM YUM YUM

Downtown L.A. went from 'just another neighborhood' to the center of attraction(s); the monthly art walk puts 40 thousand in the streets, the LA film fest moved downtown, along with the Grammies, X games, and so on.

Of course there's all the major sports and entertainment venues, a new 14 screen movie stadium, dozens of new wine bars and restaurants... and young urbanites are moving there in flocks.

A lot has changed since 2009. You might want to move back.

Love this!!! X

Hi Derek, Like so many others you keep in touch with by your e-mails I am thankful for being on the list. A very new perspective on L.A. I grew up on the Colorado River in AZ and many came from the city to recreate in the summer. Of course I'm talking late 60's through the 80's and the song said it in harmony, " I wish they all could be California girls." I'm in Vegas now and would have to disagree with some that the view is the same everywhere.

I moved to LA in the fall of 2011 and so far I think your analysis is great. There are so many neighborhoods here, each with their own personality - and a car is critical to seeing them all. On that note, I live in the "South Bay" -- Redondo Beach to be precise -- and the selfishness you mention isn't nearly as prevalent there. It's much more of a surfer/beach vibe and I love it. The optimism is certainly there, though.

Los Angeles, SoCal, whatever one calls it, is the biggest cesspool I've ever lived in. It is so fake and not simply the people. Even the friggin rivers are lined with concrete! And the "locals" all think its paradise. "Where else can you board in the snow and waves on the day?", they enthusiastically say. My response is that in L.A., unless you have a private helicopter to fly you around, you probably can barely do either in one day!

I guess that's why when I've moved to awesome places like Portland OR, and Denver CO, one of the first things I hear when I comment on how great these locations are "shhh! we don't want the Californians to know and come here!"

Some people love the car culture and all that entails. I think it sucks the life out of people.

I moved here just over a year ago and your explanation helps a lot. Thanks!
Somebody explained the weather to me in a way that made sense:
see every day as including all four seasons. Spring is in the morning, summer in the afternoon, autumn in the evening and winter at night. It's helped me to stop waiting for a hot summer.

What a B.S. fluff piece. Let's see... selfishness, myopia, dishonesty, unreliability and using people shamelessly... in a city lacking sensible city planning from politicians who have raped it for decades... dominated by a narcissistic, corporate-whore of an industry full of bad acting and worse story lines that tells the rest of the world how to live.... Talk about justifying any kind of behavior! You should have been a writer for Bush.
No thank you - I'll take a pragmatic, honest, no-bullshit city like New York over L.A any day. People may be "rude" on the street, but the friends you make are friends for life who don't consider no-call, no-show acceptable behavior. To quote Steely Dan, "California... tumbles into the sea..." We should only be so lucky.

LA struck me as a shapeless behemoth when I was visiting a couple of years back. I remember eating out in some bad neighbourhood KFC that had security measures unheard of in many prisons. Assistants sheltered behind bulletproof shields, etc. And then I remember the stunning beauty of LA beaches and the happy-go-lucky spirit of the coastal recreational area.

This is the best way I've heard someone describe L.A. Very well put!

Thanks for this article, really good! I am actually relocating to LA next year and finding this article was a rather happy synchronicity.

This was a wonderful article. I lived with my husband Brazilian guitarist Bola Sete (now deceased) in a hotel in Hollywood for about a year while he recorded an album. I LOVED LA and would move back there in a minute if I had a reason to do so. (Except that now I am studying oil painting in Marin . . . another exceptionally gorgeous place).

I particularly love Santa Monica, the beautiful flowers, and the weather. LA is a FABULOUS place.

Hooray for Eagle Rock!

good one derek.
does anyone ever want to leave LA? do you ever want to face the "real" world again?
no way eh?

:-)

You nailed it Derek ! I spent 10 years there and, as you said, learned so much. ;)

A lovely post, Derek...and as someone said above, you can certainly get lost in the wonderful comments.

Growing up in NYC, I felt it my civic duty (a la Woody Allen in "Annie Hall") to look down upon L.A. And so I did for 45 years, until the opportunity to live and study there in the fall of 2001 presented itself.

Arriving in a nearly empty aircraft (I departed two weeks after 9/11) was a surreal beginning to what still seems, eleven years later, an extended dream sequence. Yet living in this goofy, crazy, multi-faceted city proved to be the perfect balm to soothe the psychic burn of those buildings falling down...only a mile from my Manhattan apartment. I give thanks for that healing.

I'll never forget my personal L.A. soundtrack, on endless repeat in a Hertz rental car: Cocteau Twins' "Heaven or Las Vegas." (Also: big up to Amoeba Records, which opened their Sunset branch while I was there.)

Your perspective on and very plausible rationale for the self-obsession of L.A. denizens sheds new light on what I always have felt defines this place, gleaned from my months spent there in '01 and reinforced on all subsequent visits:

Everyone in L.A. is fabulous...even the bums.

Thanks, Derek, for sparking this conversation, and for doing what you do.

Laiki

FANTASTIC!!! May I repost this?
Of course. Anything on my site is free to re-post. Just link back to https://sive.rs/ — Derek

Thanks, Derek!

I just got to your link from Tim Ferris's email newsletter. I happened to come across this post, as I just moved from Chicago to LA three months ago. It has been difficult to make friends, but I will take your suggestions and make more effort, especially now that I have a CA drivers license.

Thank you

Sincerely,

Xixi (Shi-Shi)

Interviewer: A lot of folks worry that if they aren't available or don't say yes, they'll stop getting asked.

Bill Murray: If you keep saying yes, they'll stop asking you, too. That's a much more likely event.

A car isn't a NECESSITY. The public transportation is SUPERB!

PERFECT! I love LA because it is so social. Sure it takes a long time to make deep friendships, but I have made friends in this city that I will treasure forever. And the fact that I can drive from Korea Town to Santa Monica in half an hour and suddenly feel like I'm in a different country? What joy! Great article!

Great advice! I work in film in Toronto, and your advice about expectations, and the need to make connections ring true here too. I've also lived all around the world. How refreshing to hear someone advocating diving into the culture around them. So many just miss the ride, disappointed wherever they are is not like "home". xo

Los Angeles is a vibrant city filled with opportunities for artistic types. As long you don't have to drive during rush hour, it is pretty great.

I was born and raised there. People (in general) are false, self-centered, fickle, backstabbers - kind of like 5th graders who never grew up. I moved away as soon as possible. I couldn't handle all the plastic surgery and the mindset of trying to outdo the Jonse's. How boring and frivolous.

I agree, Derek. You were being kind too. I am a native of L.A., and actually attempted to move up north to WA, but it didn't take. (jobs in 2008/9), and then tried Henderson, NV (still, couldn't find employment).
So back to L.A., where the jobs in my skillset are plenty, but I'm not eager to leave my overpriced apt every day, and get on the road, even for for my relatively 4 mile street commute.
I'd love to own a little house somewhere that's not L.A., and I'm on the path toward saving for a down payment, and building more skills so that landing a job out of CA is possible.

I have been living in LA for almost 7 years now... and now in Topanga :) You could not explain LA better Derek. I first saw your talk on TED about keeping your goals to yourself and wondered about you ... because it is one of my weaknesses!
Best to you ..
ohh I got a great hint about procrastination from you today..
thank you

For an apartment search Silverlake and Silver Lake on Craigs list. Also check walkscore.com to see what is close by.

Nice derek. Haven't checked out LA yet but its in the wishlist to see.

I have lived in LA for just over 2 years and this is one of the best descriptions Ive heard about the positives. The thing that amazes me most is the amount of things to do. You will never get bored! Literally every weekend I try to do something new and there is never a shortage.
Of course probably the worst thing is the traffic. You really have to plan around that by working close to home.
Also I found that if you do anything before 11AM on the weekends your good! Easy traffic, easy parking even at the beach!

You are so right about different cultures and cities valuing different things. I lived it St. Louis for a while and there it was where you went to High School. It was often the first question a native St. Louis-er would ask when meeting someone. I'm still trying to understand that one.

I apologize if anyone has mentioned this fact already but I didn’t see it in the comments and I'd like to clarify what Derek said about L.A. not being a city. As a California resident for 32 years, I can assure you that Los Angeles IS a city. In CA we have counties like many other states. There is the county of Los Angeles which is comprised of numerous different cities (including the city of Los Angeles) and then there is the city L.A. which I grew up in so I know it exists. Other than that, I think Derek’s assessment was pretty much on the money and very gracious even.

I do think when most non-CA natives say L.A. they are referring to the county (i.e. Hollywood or Beverly Hills or Santa Monica) and not the city.

Some folks I know from Santa Monica would take fierce exception to being characterized as residing in part of LA..

The best advice I've gotten since being in LA is to learn how to make a left on a red light. Thought it was the craziest advice when I was told but my God it has saved me so many times.

Great article Derek!
Perfect for me. An Aussie moving to LA. I took note of:
" Introducing people to each other, people who could potentially work together, is the most valuable thing you can do, as it raises your value and theirs."
U.S is definately not like Australia. We are very humble and rarely 'big note' ourselves. Most musicians here are terrible promoters. Bands here hardly say their name on stage, while bands in the U.S spell out their website at least twice during the set! hahha
Australians invented the term "tall poppy" sydrome. I hate it. That is why i Love people from LA they are so enthusiastic, optimistic and excited by what you are doing, as if YOU could be the next big thing. I guess it is more likely to happen in LA than Australia. Even though they have a rep to be "all talk", id prefer the' talk' than no feedback at all.
I also love how people just start conversations with randoms in LA, that does NOT happen in Sydney. We are too shy (well not me).
You're also right with the YOU WILL NEED A CAR part :-)
cheers,
Yolanda :-)

Well Said Yolanda, I agree. XXXX

Great advice... Malibu Canyon road that runs between the valley and malibu is absolutely amazing... I miss LA!!!

LA sounds amazing, i really, really hope i can visit sometime. It's my dream place to live. shame i live in the UK. great article xx

Hey Derek, thanks for posting this. Me and my girlfriend are currently planning to move to LA (we actually reside in Germany) and every tip is much appreciated :-)

If it's only half as good as it sounds it will be the best "city" on earth to live in!

Thank you for this Derek,
I could be out there for my book tour end of year/next year, this is really informative and 'user friendly' lol! :)

I have lived in LA for over a year now and think there is something here for everyone. I moved from the bay area/sf and I actually rode the subway allot when i got here. If you don't want to drive/or cant - live in or near north hollywood studio city hollywood ktown or downtown. There has been talk of 24 hour subways which to me beats oakland (only affordable houseing in SF area now).

I have a car and a motorcycle(to me a must) and can get around quick on the bike i tuck my mirrors in and rarely go slower than 30mph on freeway..... California is a state and there are many parts of it. I like new york in spring and fall and will continue to visit but cali is where its at for winter and summer.

Its an accomplishment to live in LA whether your born rich or working you ass off there is something behind you(drive/money/good looks/ talent). In other parts of the country you can purchase a house with very little and there is not much really happening in those areas in my opinion. cheers

humm YES on all accounts accept the part about DTLA. You do not need a car there and it IS the center for arts anyways. There was an article in the New York Times the other day about how DTLA is like Manhattan.

"Advice on moving to Los Angeles"?

Don't.

At least this for this Brit, San Francisco was way better.

I found this article to be condescending. "Like an 8 year old?!" So these people are excited about what they're doing. That's something to put down? How rude. This city is amazing and has a lot more substance and culture than any self-righteous, pretentious hater gives it credit for. Who the heck do some of these people think they are, acting like where they're from is SO much better? Please. There are jerks and flakes in every city, and Los Angeles is as much of a city as ANYWHERE else. You lived here for a total of SEVEN years, oh good for you. So you know ALL there is to know. I can't stand people who are only here for a little while and act like they know everything there is to know, when they're really only being narrow-minded and superior. I am so sick and tired of people bashing my city. Why so negative? If you don't like a person's attitude, don't associate with them. You don't HAVE to be a part of an industry you don't respect. GEEZ. Also, there ARE real, compassionate, intelligent people here. This city is awesome, even though there are some drawbacks, just like anywhere else. What's the problem? Why all the special hate, all you L.A.-hating, self-righteous hypocrites?

I found this short article and some of the responses to it semi-interesting, but frankly, there is one GIANT drawback to L.A. (for some of us anyway) that doesn't seem to be mentioned. And because Amby's response is staring me in the face as I write this, I'll very quickly add you should read my response to understand how YOUR response does nothing but prove how self absorbed and shitty people are here. Try living some other places, because every Southern Californian I've met in any other city has nothing but bad things to say about L.A., themselves. Derek can express his opinion any way he likes, but if you don't like condescension, then why would you write such an inflammatory response? Let the guy share his opinion. This is the stupidity and self absorption so common here that pisses everyone else off. It's just all about how you see it, no respect for others.

I work in entertainment. It's why I'm here. And I have absolutely put off friendships and shied away from other relationships because I freelance and am very motivated with a strong work ethic to continue to build on what I love doing and have done so with some success thus far. So I get THAT part of it. I do. BUT, there is a very general attitude of complete self absorption and disrespect towards others that does NOT exist in other places and is what really pisses me off about L.A. It's everywhere here. It's when the little Mexican woman has to shove you to get on the bus one spot ahead of you (I have no problem with Mexicans, just sharing an EVERY DAY occurrence). When you get on a bus and everyone sits in the outside seat and, in some cases, will threaten to beat the shit out of you if you even think about sitting next to them (seen it with my own eyes). When people unflinchingly push you on the street passing by, on purpose (as opposed to say, Chicago, where it's just super crowded and people will be very quick to apologize if they do bump into you). People in L.A. OFTEN stare VERY RUDELY at you, which anywhere else in the world (and I take it to be the same here since I know no differently) would be a sign of aggression and an invitation for a fight. I don't think L.A. has rebranded rude stares, so quite frankly, and based on other behavior I see, I do believe it has everything to do with the complete egocentrism and shit attitudes you see here. Be a go getter and keep your nose to the ground when it comes to work. But shit, when you're in the public sphere and interact with others, learn how to act right. I mean, it's like everyone here was drop kicked by their moms as kids or something, or (how cliche to say, but) raised by a ravenous pack of wolves, for real.

I also do NOT support it being totally acceptable to be a snot-nosed fake. We are all just people. We all have different jobs. I don't define myself by what I do. Neither should anyone else. Do what you want with your life, but I'm a being first and foremost. I don't give a shit if you're an actress, a hamburger flipper, or mailman. I'll treat you with the same kindness and respect. And that's how it is EVERYWHERE ELSE but L.A. If you walk around with your nose turned up because you act, it's being shitty. And if you've got one project to your credit from three years ago and have never acted again, stop telling people you're an actress. You're not. Aspiring actress, maybe. Someone who acts on occasion. Fine. But stop turning your nose up and pretending you're more important than someone else. You're not. That's called being a shithead. What I've found in my experience in the industry, is it's the ones who never made it, or the ones that had something going for a little bit and fizzled, that tend to be the worst people to be around. But then you have ALL THE OTHERS. The no name, one of a million actresses that come here thinking they're going to get rich and famous. I never got into this for fame or fortune. I started working for free and decided I loved it and just pursued my passion. I'm not insecure and I don't have an ego. And others ought to learn. Frankly, as someone that plays a role in casting and crewing, I refuse to hire people that come with an attitude. So while you ought to do it for altruistic reasons, if you are one of those shitheads reading this, for fuck's sake, if you're going to be completely self absorbed, at least be self absorbed with half a brain and be kind to those you meet. You just never know who you may work with and where they may go in the world. It would suck to lose a job because the assistant you pissed off two years ago is now producing the next big feature. Wouldn't it? Obviously venting a little, but shit people, take a look at any other city in this country east of the coast, and you'll see how EASY it is for everyone to love each other and get along well. Sure there are assholes other places, too, but L.A. is one of a kind in just how many horrible people there are. If you don't believe me, leave your little bubble (Amby - bashing YOUR city - you sound like you've never lived anywhere else, so what do you know?) and see for yourself. Respect is understood almost everywhere except L.A.

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I enjoyed reading this article. You may be surprised and pleased to know that since you've left in 2009, (I moved to LA at the end of 2009) Downtown LA has really blown up. I attend FIDM, so I'm there quite a bit and LA Live is doing well, as are many bars and restaurants on surrounding side streets. I liked the advice about meeting people and why they may flake on your event, or talk about themselves. They're really trying to connect with others who have similar projects they can help with or be helped by. It's a constant state of networking. So what? What's wrong with that? Clearly, some have had a bad experience in LA (as written above) but I think it's when you move here expecting something out of the city - out of the people that your experience may be tough.

As far as people saying it's spread out, that's just stupid. I'm from Chicago, and you could call that spread out too. Lincoln Park is far from Oak Park, and Skokie is far from Hyde Park and Wicker Park to downtown there's hella traffic. So what? There are cool places to go all over the place in LA, it's not some central cool place to go surrounded by uncool places. Even the suburbs are cool. That doesn't mean it's spread out. I live off of Melrose and work from home. I'm perfectly content staying in my neighborhood for weeks at a time. People who have shit to talk about LA wanted to make it and didn't. Bottom line. And that is the epitome of self centered thinking. I didn't make it so the city must suck. Ok, well go home. The rest of us will enjoy the weather, the progressive thinking, the mountains and the ocean, amazing restaurants, a winning basketball team and bitch only about the traffic. Peace.

I can relate to most of what you say, though it does frustrate me when it's said that "everyone moved to LA." I was born and raised here, so it gets a little annoying. Grew up in Pasadena, went to UCLA, work in Hollywood (though not in TV or movies), and play everywhere else. And I don't drive. . . ;o)

I like how you put a positive spin on the flakiness. Nice work. The flakiness is one of the things that drives me up a wall about L.A. Have some integrity. Don't say you're going to do things you aren't going to do or don't know for sure you're going to do. It's rude. Also, I've found that people sometimes flake because they've found something "better" to do than what they originally said yes to.

I just want the NHL lockout to be over so I can watch the LA Kings try for another Stanley Cup.

I liked the advice about meeting people and why they may flake on your event, or talk about themselves. They're really trying to connect with others who have similar projects they can help with or be helped by

Hey derek, I'm a solo musician from Ireland and currently living there, I've played through different towns and even some venues throughout Dublin, I was wondering if LA has a good music industry and if I would benefit if I moved there to release some Eps, Please reply :)
It's worth a visit to see what you think. Go on a tourist visa to check it out, and meet as many people as you can. After a month or two, you'll know whether you should stay or not. — Derek

Thanks so much Derek, I'll definitely try to meet as much people as possible and gig every day, my only concern now is what Part to go to that will benefit me the most with my music, I was thinking either Santa monica or long beach, or somewhere else, would you know any parts with a lot of music venues?
Hollywood. Definitely. Nice and central. — Derek

Wow! Thanks for this post, it's very insightful. I grew up at the total opposite end of California and have always been mesmerized by LA and haven't ever known much about it. I'm trying to learn as much as I can because I plan to move there in the next few months.

It's my city!
Mine, too. — Derek

I've been googling "relocating to LA" for hours tonight, as my husband and I are about to make the move and I've never even been. (His work is transferring him). I'm from a farm in Ohio, so I'm a TAD bit nervous. This is by far the most helpful thing I have read. Made me feel better.

Hi Derek,

I really liked your realistic approach to explaining people and life in LA-California. I am looking into visiting for the first time with my husband and our 2 young children, I am not fazed by 'fakers,' 'wanna be's' etc...I accept them all because as you said it is a survival tatic that needs to be used. We are all survivors in some way, even the rich. Please feel free to contact me for any advice on where to stay and hire a car, etc.
Thanks for the info ;-)

Great insights! Thanks!

Derek, I really enjoyed this piece on moving to LA, as I'm packing up the wife and taking my Seattle sound career further and to soak up some real nice weather after 12 years of Pacific Northwest.

I have several friends already down there and they all say some of the same things that you have, and I just wanted to "big up" you for the good info. sometimes hard to come by on the Internet.
Best,
Matt

I wrote a response article, because I found a lot of what you wrote to be the kind of superficial bullshit I would expect from LA. (Not saying you are like that, but the whole article basically said to me "we're like this because we have to be, get over it" and that to me speaks volumes about the character of the people who are actually LIKE that.)

You worked in the entertainment industry, so of course you think that way, that is how people in that industry are programmed to think. There is so much more to LA, and humanity in general that what you posted.

This whole article was optimistic, but at the same time, highly disappointing to me.

http://skvets.tumblr.com/post/50317569515/response-to-advice-on-moving-to-los-angeles

This was by no means meant to be taken offensively. I just feel the complete opposite way about the people of LA, and see a lot more in them, which is why I am moving there.
☺ And all these reasons I named here are the reasons I love it! — Derek

The Gaza Strip, and its few millions would fit into this strip of land in which about 80,000 now reside.
Life is a strange fruit.
Thank you for the article

Hey Derek Sivers. Please help. Im planning to move to LA for my continuing education on next year 2014. Is there any easier way for me to educate at Los Angeles?
Santa Monica College — Derek

So many people talk about the cities north of the 110 but so little about the cities south of the 110; it's a different LA.

would just like more updates.

Derek:
Your enthusiasm and lust of life is exceptional. I really enjoyed reading all of the responses to the persons internationally terrified to go to LA. Mine is similar to your philosophy. I know about LA as being a creature of DC, it was my bi-coastal escape. I produced/directed/performed in comedy revues on both coasts. The actors in LA were always more professionally trained and thus more liberating. The Angeles Crest mountains, the Palisades, the beach, and the scene and people make me feel liberated. Maybe because everyone was so stylish and stuffed up in lawyer suits it felt better. I am now older with a family. I sold my house in DC in 2004 and was coming back permanently. Too many distractions, wife's illness, kids, etc. prevented the return. Now I wonder, can you recapture the illusion. The magic. Or is it a risk? I love LA and have friends there who I miss. This time though its a one way trip. Whatdayathink of that. Words of encouragement or advise. I know its a town for the young and unattached.

Awesome article! Thanks! Glad I stumbled onit, learned things I haven't heard yet. :)

Very helpful

Yes, Derek, and for shared housing, L.A. should be a natural. The advice you give about avoiding the highways and taking the backroads is priceless!The best places to get advice are from peers with whom we share housing, and that is what I tried to accomplish with www.subleasehub.com. Thanks so much!

As a family, with a daughter who has been studying in an international school abroad. what would be your advice.....Many thanks,
? Sorry, I don't understand the question. Email me. — Derek

Do you have to have a drivers licence or can you get around by other transport? I have relatives in L.A so I would like to relocate there.
It really REALLY helps to drive. You really should drive in LA. — Derek

This is so true LA has all kinds of batches and pockets that are totally different. I love parts and hate parts of it myself. All around it is a great place to visit. I also happen to run a moving site so if you are moving to Los Angeles please checkout my info as well on moving to LA. Again Great Article Derek.

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Also shared this on Facebook for ya.

This is awesome bro. LOVE the sincerity and practicality of it. Everyone tells me I'd fit in perfect in LA. Look forward to going back out there, hopeful in the near future to be a resident.

It's a great post for us; i appreciating your effort. I think everyone should need a better understanding about the place before making a move to a new place. Especially to the places like LA. Recently i have crated an Inforgraphic for the peoples who looking for a move towards California. See here-->> http://www.helpmovingtocalifornia.com/blog/california-things-to-know-before-moving/ Providing information about the things to consider before making a move to California.

You seem to know the life out there, we just got back from a 2 week stay in West Hollywood and it sure does seem the way you describe. We are now thinking of making a move to that area and stay for a couple of years, just to see what opportunities may arise for us. Wish us luck.

Good perspective I live approximately 60 miles north of LA in the Antelope Valley and have lived here over 20 years. We are close enough for excursions but appreciate having less " city ". There is one other point you might consider --- there are places people should avoid especially at night. There are areas where your more likely to run into problems especially after dark. I am a nurse with 32 years experience. Don't get me wrong LA is a beautiful city just have some street smarts and avoid the knife and gun club areas. You know what I mean - don't wear antlers in deer season. Don't go alone and plan for contingencies. 18 years ago I was working an ER in the valley when we had the Northridge Quake. I was stuck there for three days. As a result I now never let my gas gauge go below 1/2. By the way - We are over due for another one. You are so right about LA being a collection of different cities. Each has there own pulse - I have heard it said that LA has the highest concentration of every nationality on earth outside the native population. More is a good thing as I see us as the "melting pot" of America and America is the melting pot of the world. So if you want to taste international food. We have it all. I could talk more about my experiences in different ERs in the city / Valley but then you'd only have one view point but sometimes this confusion between different cultures can be very funny. I had one patients family upset because I didn't speak their Indian dialect.
The children spoke English well and we had a translation phone but they thought I should speak their language. If India were closer I would. Love the food however. I see a lot of other cultures and can't learn each one. I have the opportunity to see people at their worst in ERs but suffice it to say They all say how greatful they are to be here as they may not have access to emergency services in their country. I've thought about writing a book of my experiences but people wouldnt believe it. One thing that I've found is that respect is universal. You usually get what you give. Start with a smile and be genuinely concerned about their problems and people ( regardless where they are from) will show their respect. I have for some time thought about writing a book / would you consider giving me feedback? I would appreciate it. Hope you'll come back to LA or even see the Antelope Valley ---- we had a beautiful spring with the poppies in bloom and this year we hosted the LA County Air Show with the Blue Angels as well as many other acrobatic pilots and vintage aircraft.
Have a great time Jeff Kelley RN

Thanks so much for this article, Derek! This is exactly the kind of perspective I was looking for before my big move out there. I feel much more prepared and compassionate already :) And on a personal note, I'm so grateful to be apart of the Cdbaby family after all these years. It's been very cool to watch things evolve, and I've been following you (and reading your books) every since. You are an admirable thought leader, and I so appreciate having you as a mentor on so many levels.
All the best,
Gregory

Thanks for this great article. I'm constantly searching for some articles about Los Angeles, 'cause I am planning to move there to pursue my acting career, this really helps. Also try to check this https://www.exploretalent.com/acting-jobs-los-angeles acting jobs in Los Angeles. What do you think about it?

I lived in L.A for 4 years and leaving is one of my biggest regrets, even though I moved for family reasons. I want to go back, but I am older now (55 years old), and might not be able to find a job and the rents are pretty high. L. A is and always be for me, the most amazing place on this Earth.

Hey Derek,
I currently live in Memphis, TN & have
wanted to live in California all my life; I
have finally decided it's time but I'm
totally alone in this & I don't know anyone
who lives in the LA area... I'm leaning
toward the Silver Lake area because I'm
an artist. Do u have any suggestions on how
I could even begin to go about befriending
someone there that I could get a little
direction & help from..??? Any advice is
very appreciated!! Thanks!

I absolutely *HATE* Los Angeles. I lived in Sherman Oaks from 1986 until 1995. The big problem for me is I really hate driving. I grew up in NYC and never learned to drive until I moved there in my 20s, and driving was a big problem.

I now live in SF and I love it. I love not having to drive & living in a compact walkable city with good public transportation, the exact opposite of LA.

As a Burbank-raised LA native, I vouch this is still true as of 2015 -- but have never seen the assessment and advice so perfectly put. You are right on all of it, this should be required reading at the state line, the airports, and all docks. Most people come to LA to escape what they were or be something they're not, and that's just fine -- welcome! Just as long as you're not the car holding up traffic~
Thanks, Derek, for a link I can share with sincerity.
☺ Thank you! That's such a nice compliment. — Derek

HI. I too have lived and worked in the los angeles area. and I enjoyed it very much too. :)
I'd like to move back there, if I could afford it. LOL. ;) BUT, its so very expensive, isn't it? or no? and YES, one absolutely does need a car to live and work there.
thanks for this article, and I do like the good photo of "the city of lights". in here. :)

Hi Derek

We are a family of four with 2 kids, a 1 year old girl and a 8 year old boy, we would like to move to LA and see what opportunities may rise for us there. We
are from South Africa

Thank you

I moved to Beverly Hills not long ago and have no friends 😔

I'm sorry but I FCKING MISS CALI! I'm originally from Boston. Even though my heart will always be in Boston, SoCal will always be in my heart and soul. The people I met in Cali and got close to ( which is not easy in Cali ) they will always be my best best friends in the world. If you can get close to someone in Cali you are doing something right. I lived there 27 yrs. More than half my life. I left Boston at 23 yrs old. Went to school there to become a nurse. ( school was definitely much much cheaper than Ma) no offense to Ma but tuition in Boston is CRAZY! And the best parties are definitely in Hollywood. It would take me so much time to tell you the people I rubbed noses with. It was exciting for sure but you know what? There is no place like home. BOSTON DON'T WORRY I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU!

I passed this on to a friend recently, they just relocated to LA from SA. She pointed out It probably wouldn't have meant as much if she had read it before they went. Such a great post, brought back super memories of life in that LA LA corner of the world.

Love love love what you have said. Have visited where you have written about and from my limited experience I agree wholeheartedly with your spot on observations, reflections. Thank you for your keen honesty. Needed to read your words as am considering moving there someday possibly. Thank you!

Thank you bro for such a nice and heart warming article.. I have started loving LA now and looking forward to a pleasant work-life experience as I start from Chennai, India probably in a months time. Thanks again, it's universally applicable one as we have a say in tamil "yadhum oorey, yavarum kaeleer" recited by a tamil poet five thousand years ago, meaning "this whole world is my home and all humans are my family"..

I have lived in Los Angeles 90036, which is L.A. L.A. The original. On Wilshire. I like your article, it is true that each area has it's own vibe. Miracle mile is very different from Santa Monica, and each area has something unique to offer. If you decide to move to L.A try to live near where you work. A commute from miracle mile to Santa Monica may not look bad on a map, but can take an hr and 45 mins. Summer being the worst time for driving. People are slso flaky because of traffic, it is bad, and getting worse not better. Don't let the subway expansions fool you.
Good advice. Thanks Greg! — Derek

I want to live an easy life in LA

Thank you, Derek, for your advice!

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