Honestly either Putin humbles and possibly even kills the worst tech bro of all time or the war ends quickly, there's no bad outcomes out of this one!

Also a serious example of why being a billionaire rots your brain: you really think all that money is going to help you take out a freaking former KGB agent?

The Virtue Signaling of these libs is remarkable.

You, Elon Musk, an overweight beneficiary of US Government welfare, who can't even make a good interior for a car, want to go up against a former professional Russian Soldier/ trained KGB/ GRU expert assassin?

It would almost be worth it to watch you trying to figure out how to get the Polonium pellet out of your bone marrow.

Dimitriid said

Honestly either Putin humbles and possibly even kills the worst tech bro of all time or the war ends quickly, there's no bad outcomes out of this one!

Also a serious example of why being a billionaire rots your brain: you really think all that money is going to help you take out a freaking former KGB agent?

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These people really are ridiculous. And extremely delusional.

This War ends when Russia takes over the Ukraine. Now that they've been sanctioned, it is actually of importance to completely occupy Ukraine simply so they can negotiate against the sanctions and control when, how and if Ukraine is rebuilt.

But going one on one vs. Putin???

That's basically suicide.

QuantumPhysics said

These people really are ridiculous. And extremely delusional.

This War ends when Russia takes over the Ukraine. Now that they've been sanctioned, it is actually of importance to completely occupy Ukraine simply so they can negotiate against the sanctions and control when, how and if Ukraine is rebuilt.

But going one on one vs. Putin???

That's basically suicide.

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If the West can keep Ukraine supplied I don't think they will be able to take it over, they've already lost a huge amount of equipment and made small gains, it's just a repeat of the Winter War imo.

Obviously he's not being serious about fighting Putin. But I will say his tweet about netflix was funny as hell:

"Netflix, while waiting for the war to end so that it can make a film on a Black Ukrainian man who falls in love with a transgender Russian soldier."

^ That is some funny stuff right there. He just nailed hollywood / netflix perfectly.

eforce said

If the West can keep Ukraine supplied I don't think they will be able to take it over, they've already lost a huge amount of equipment and made small gains, it's just a repeat of the Winter War imo.

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The US instigated this crisis by attempting to finance and arm Ukrainians into hostilities against Russians in Luhansk and Donetsk. Now, it's completely swung in the opposite direction and Russia is literally taking over Ukraine entirely. The western propaganda continues to lie about Russian casualties and progress, but the reality is, Russia is winning and they are now ready to take Kyiv.

Naturally, you won't hear the truth till after they do because only then will the media be forced to tell the truth.

In the aftermath, Ukraine is being flattened.

I'd say Russia is determined to take Ukraine so they can later bargain for sanctions reduction and control how, when and if Ukraine is rebuilt.

QuantumPhysics said

The US instigated this crisis by attempting to finance and arm Ukrainians into hostilities against Russians in Luhansk and Donetsk. Now, it's completely swung in the opposite direction and Russia is literally taking over Ukraine entirely. The western propaganda continues to lie about Russian casualties and progress, but the reality is, Russia is winning and they are now ready to take Kyiv.

Naturally, you won't hear the truth till after they do because only then will the media be forced to tell the truth.

In the aftermath, Ukraine is being flattened.

I'd say Russia is determined to take Ukraine so they can later bargain for sanctions reduction and control how, when and if Ukraine is rebuilt.

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I agree the West has instigated this, you only need to look at a map of Axis eastward expansion pre-Barborossa and NATO eastward expansion since WW2 to see why Russia is paranoid.

I don't trust the Western MSM either, but Russia isn't really fighting Ukraine, they are fighting a NATO armed/trained army, high Russian casualties shouldn't come as a surprise. If Ukraine was left to survive on its own, Russia would have already taken Kiev long ago imo.

eforce said

I agree the West has instigated this, you only need to look at a map of Axis eastward expansion pre-Barborossa and NATO eastward expansion since WW2 to see why Russia is paranoid.

I don't trust the Western MSM either, but Russia isn't really fighting Ukraine, they are fighting a NATO armed/trained army, high Russian casualties shouldn't come as a surprise. If Ukraine was left to survive on its own, Russia would have already taken Kiev long ago imo.

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Sry to interrupt, comrades, your "rightous" war of killing civilians is going really bad. If the Chinese don't make a move soon, mother Russia is toast.

Dimitriid said

Honestly either Putin humbles and possibly even kills the worst tech bro of all time

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Yeah the guy that has propelled the tech industry and space industry forward.

I mean he acts like a teenager online but that's a stretch...

Kyokushin karate is no joke. It is a full contact style started my Mas Oyama

Mister_K said

Yeah the guy that has propelled the tech industry and space industry forward.

I mean he acts like a teenager online but that's a stretch...

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That guy has not done a single thing.

He comes from a rich South African white family (As in, directly benefited from Apartheid South Africa) got lucky with some early investments and has done nothing but attach his name and money to existing projects.

Even more than the usual, he's done nothing to actually build all the tech his companies are capable of. That's the work of engineers and workers, often poorly compensated and mistreated just so that Musk can become the richest person in history with their creativity, intelligence and dedication.

If anything, Musk has been routinely shown to get in the way of more significant advances with stupid ideas like the hyperloop.

QuantumPhysics said

The Virtue Signaling of these libs is remarkable.

You, Elon Musk, an overweight beneficiary of US Government welfare, who can't even make a good interior for a car, want to go up against a former professional Russian Soldier/ trained KGB/ GRU expert assassin?

It would almost be worth it to watch you trying to figure out how to get the Polonium pellet out of your bone marrow.

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I agree Musk is just hilarious, but there's this mystical aura about Putin, people in the west are so attracted to, this KGB "assassin" strongman super agent, which is also ridiculous. His former chief in the KGB has said he was just average on everything, certainly not among the brightest. However, Putin is a great politician and he has cultivated this image of Superman, which makes a lot of people like you to have wet dreams.

Dimitriid said

That guy has not done a single thing.

He comes from a rich South African white family (As in, directly benefited from Apartheid South Africa) got lucky with some early investments and has done nothing but attach his name and money to existing projects.

Even more than the usual, he's done nothing to actually build all the tech his companies are capable of. That's the work of engineers and workers, often poorly compensated and mistreated just so that Musk can become the richest person in history with their creativity, intelligence and dedication.

If anything, Musk has been routinely shown to get in the way of more significant advances with stupid ideas like the hyperloop.

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I mean at this point this is just plain denial. Sure Musk himself is not some revolutionary engineer but putting money where is needed is just as important.

Well at least Elon isn't a stranger to a fist fight based on his words:

It's funny how left leaning people love to hate the guy. Say what you like but being salty over his views doesn't change that he's massively successful and extremely intelligent. You don't get where he is by being stupid. Stay salty....cry more.

And by the way his IQ is around 150+ so claiming he's an ***** is really pretty funny.

Ah, just let him put Putin into a Tesla car on a icy highway somewhere in Siberia with the autopilot enabled, manual controls disabled and the vehicle locked in the max speed.

emmzo said

I agree Musk is just hilarious, but there's this mystical aura about Putin, people in the west are so attracted to, this KGB "assassin" strongman super agent, which is also ridiculous. His former chief in the KGB has said he was just average on everything, certainly not among the brightest. However, Putin is a great politician and he has cultivated this image of Superman, which makes a lot of people like you to have wet dreams.

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Both of them are exaggerated by people that worship them. Elon is a super-genius that's going to solve world hunger and cure cancer and send us to space. Putin is like you say a KGB assassin super agent that rides bears and ****. Worshipers on both sides are equally stupid they just don't know it.

emmzo said

Sry to interrupt, comrades, your "rightous" war of killing civilians is going really bad. If the Chinese don't make a move soon, mother Russia is toast.

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Unfortunately geopolitics is often more complicated than "country A good, country B bad", I don't remember saying I supported this war either.

Nobina said

Both of them are exaggerated by people that worship them. Elon is a super-genius that's going to solve world hunger and cure cancer and send us to space. Putin is like you say a KGB assassin super agent that rides bears and ****. Worshipers on both sides are equally stupid they just don't know it.

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Yet only one of those is even tangentially related to you know...Combat. If you had to fight one you'd take a delusional tech bro instead of the overstated and also delusional ex KGB agent because we know he had at least *some* training so I'll just punch the nerd, thanks.

13 weeks of MCMAP and Judo is...........Cute.
Krav Maga and MCMAP have zero focus on showmanship, and looking pretty.
The goal is the same. Neutralize.

QuantumPhysics said

The US instigated this crisis by attempting to finance and arm Ukrainians into hostilities against Russians in Luhansk and Donetsk.

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And Russia has been arming China for almost 35 years.
As usual, you argue from uninformed idiocy.

Dimitriid said

He comes from a rich South African white family (As in, directly benefited from Apartheid South Africa) got lucky with some early investments and has done nothing but attach his name and money to existing projects.

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Wow....benefited from apartheid? Oh man he's guilty now!!! And he's white??!!!! Holy crap it's a good thing you mentioned his whiteness. He must just be massively privileged and a terrible person!

You know there are millions of people who do nothing but invest money in what they think would be a good investment. He invested well and helped the success of companies enough that's the wealthiest man in the world...or one of anyway.

emmzo said

If the Chinese don't make a move soon, mother Russia is toast.

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And they won't.
All China's cardboard tanks and inflatable artillery won't do well in an actual war.

In other words, this war, in which many people die, is a joke to Musk.

scavengerspc said

And Russia has been arming China for almost 35 years.
As usual, you argue from uninformed idiocy.

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How much longer till Russia takes Kyiv - since you know so much more than me?

I just find it funny America has enemies it can't do anything about cause of that whole M.A.D.

eforce said

Unfortunately geopolitics is often more complicated than "country A good, country B bad", I don't remember saying I supported this war either.

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It's good that you have the luxury of thinking about geopolitics so relaxed in, I suppose, a democratic country. I live in eastern Europe, in an ex-communist country and half of century of russian hegemony had brought only poverty, oppression, terror and dehumanization. I'm telling you, there's a reason everyone here wants to embrace the West, because whatever the flaws of democracies, a person can reach his/her true potential, because they are free. A lot of Russians want that too and a democracy in Russia would probably make it a truly big power. However, we can debate any time the problems of the West, but this is not "whataboutism". Putin's Russia is turning more and more into a stalinist state and it's only going to bring misery, hardships and distraught and force people back into a dark era that should be long forgotten, including his fellow Russians. So sure, you can root for Putin and justify "geopolitically" his atrocities and crimes, blaming the west for "inciting" him, blaming Ukraine for wanting to create its own path, doing his work in sowing division, but remember, you should be grateful that you are free to say whatever you want, you should be grateful you live in a democracy and have the opportunities you have and then you will see what good vs bad really means.

QuantumPhysics said

How much longer till Russia takes Kyiv - since you know so much more than me?

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Do you mean overwhelm Kyiv? Who can say.
If you mean take full control of Kyiv, ain't gonna happen.
And if I do know more than you, it's your fault.

QuantumPhysics said

I just find it funny America has enemies it can't do anything about cause of that whole M.A.D.

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You know, the whole "if you want peace, you must prepare for war" thing.

Elon Musk ---> Elon Clown

QuantumPhysics said

The Virtue Signaling of these libs is remarkable.

You, Elon Musk, an overweight beneficiary of US Government welfare, who can't even make a good interior for a car, want to go up against a former professional Russian Soldier/ trained KGB/ GRU expert assassin?

It would almost be worth it to watch you trying to figure out how to get the Polonium pellet out of your bone marrow.

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He definitely is not a lib... unless by "lib", you mean libertarian.

VitalyT said

In other words, this war, in which many people die, is a joke to Musk.

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Yup, the Ukrainians should stop using the free starlink internet he is providing the people of Ukraine because he made a jokey tweet. He clearly doesnt care...

This bullcrap from Musky is him trying to profit off the current conflict, IMO. Musky has shown us all just how low he can stoop.

Dimitriid said

If anything, Musk has been routinely shown to get in the way of more significant advances with stupid ideas like the hyperloop.

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Hyperloop is not even his idea. It was in the [link] .

emmzo said

It's good that you have the luxury of thinking about geopolitics so relaxed in, I suppose, a democratic country. I live in eastern Europe, in an ex-communist country and half of century of russian hegemony had brought only poverty, oppression, terror and dehumanization. I'm telling you, there's a reason everyone here wants to embrace the West, because whatever the flaws of democracies, a person can reach his/her true potential, because they are free. A lot of Russians want that too and a democracy in Russia would probably make it a truly big power. However, we can debate any time the problems of the West, but this is not "whataboutism". Putin's Russia is turning more and more into a stalinist state and it's only going to bring misery, hardships and distraught and force people back into a dark era that should be long forgotten, including his fellow Russians. So sure, you can root for Putin and justify "geopolitically" his atrocities and crimes, blaming the west for "inciting" him, blaming Ukraine for wanting to create its own path, doing his work in sowing division, but remember, you should be grateful that you are free to say whatever you want, you should be grateful you live in a democracy and have the opportunities you have and then you will see what good vs bad really means.

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Well said - the best comment in the thread, IMO.

IMO, many of the "righteous" crowd here think they understand, but have no clue of what they speak since the live in privilege they do not even begin to understand that they have.

emmzo said

It's good that you have the luxury of thinking about geopolitics so relaxed in, I suppose, a democratic country. I live in eastern Europe, in an ex-communist country and half of century of russian hegemony had brought only poverty, oppression, terror and dehumanization. I'm telling you, there's a reason everyone here wants to embrace the West, because whatever the flaws of democracies, a person can reach his/her true potential, because they are free. A lot of Russians want that too and a democracy in Russia would probably make it a truly big power. However, we can debate any time the problems of the West, but this is not "whataboutism". Putin's Russia is turning more and more into a stalinist state and it's only going to bring misery, hardships and distraught and force people back into a dark era that should be long forgotten, including his fellow Russians. So sure, you can root for Putin and justify "geopolitically" his atrocities and crimes, blaming the west for "inciting" him, blaming Ukraine for wanting to create its own path, doing his work in sowing division, but remember, you should be grateful that you are free to say whatever you want, you should be grateful you live in a democracy and have the opportunities you have and then you will see what good vs bad really means.

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The problem is, Western leaders have undermined the democracy in the Ukraine with all sorts of corruption, the Ukraine received billions more than most other countries from the US state department and I still want to know how Hunter Biden got an extremely lucrative position on the board of an energy company out there. Id also like to know how much of the Ukrainian military is openly Nazi and how much money and training they have received from the west. We know some definitely are Nazis, theres dozens of documentaries about Azov on youtuve even.

Im with you, I live in the west I wouldnt want to live in or under Russia. But if you criminalise Russian seperatists and remove their representation within a democracy you dont have the right to say you have "western values". That makes the Ukraine no better than Russia or any other dictatorship. Putin should be condemned, there is no justification for his actions. But his actions do not absolve the meddling by the west in the Ukraine and they do not change the fact that the Ukraine is not actually a democracy despite the lies of the western leaders.

With those sunglasses he look like poker player so maybe he means that they will fight in poker.

Ohnooze said

It's funny how left leaning people love to hate the guy. Say what you like but being salty over his views doesn't change that he's massively successful and extremely intelligent. You don't get where he is by being stupid. Stay salty....cry more.

And by the way his IQ is around 150+ so claiming he's an ***** is really pretty funny.

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I guess you conveniently forgot to mention the hordes of right-wingers drooling over Putin's very move, including Ukraine. Just turn on your favorite channel: Fox Noise.

Truly disgusting.

PEnnn said

I guess you conveniently forgot to mention the hordes of right-wingers drooling over Putin's very move, including Ukraine. Just turn on your favorite channel: Fox Noise.

Truly disgusting.

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I was thinking similarly about Musky. The Right drools over his fortune, and thinks an IQ of 150+ means he is smart.

PEnnn said

I guess you conveniently forgot to mention the hordes of right-wingers drooling over Putin's very move, including Ukraine. Just turn on your favorite channel: Fox Noise.

Truly disgusting.

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What are you even talking about? I honestly have not seen anyone support Putin except China.

wiyosaya said

I was thinking similarly about Musky. The Right drools over his fortune, and thinks an IQ of 150+ means he is smart.

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Uhh...an IQ if 150+ is considered pretty damn intelligent. O.2% of the population according to google. And he's the wealthiest man on the planet...so yea he's not a *****.

That said I don't personally care about him one way or the other. I just enjoy how he makes the left cry. He doesn't cater to the current twitter culture...it's glorious.

Ohnooze said

What are you even talking about? I honestly have not seen anyone support Putin except China.

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Then you aren't looking. Not many mind you. But a disturbing number do though. The righties just loves Putin, even if not the war.

scavengerspc said

Then you aren't looking.

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Give me an example please. I really have not heard any "right wingers" supporting Putin at all. In fact it's been just the opposite from what I have seen. I watch fox, cnn and msnbc and some cspan when I can and I have heard nothing but negative towards Putin.

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Then you aren't looking. Not many mind you. But a disturbing number do though. The righties just loves Putin, even if not the war.

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Ive not seen any right wingers saying good things about Putin. But I would say the left seem to want the west to go to war against him more than the right does. Which is bizarre, its historically the right who is calling for military action.

Personally the very last thing I want is for NATO to get involved in this conflict. Im sorry but the Ukraine is one country, its not worth dragging the entire west into a war with Russia over.

scavengerspc said

Then you aren't looking. Not many mind you. But a disturbing number do though. The righties just loves Putin, even if not the war.

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That's very interesting as I have never once heard anything like that.
In fact fox was brought up and I have heard no support of Putin at all from them...just the opposite actually. I have head CNN and MSNBC make the claim that fox was sucking up to Putin but I haven't seen it and I watch all stations.

Ohnooze said

Give me an example please.

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Shadowboxer said

Ive not seen any right wingers saying good things about Putin

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Tucker Carlson
Josh Hawley
Alex Jones
JD Vance
Candace Owens

EVERY ONE of them are, or have been on Fox, OAN, or both.
Carlson, Jones and Owens are regulars on Russian State TV.

Ohnooze said

Uhh...an IQ if 150+ is considered pretty damn intelligent. O.2% of the population according to google. And he's the wealthiest man on the planet...so yea he's not a *****.

That said I don't personally care about him one way or the other. I just enjoy how he makes the left cry. He doesn't cater to the current twitter culture...it's glorious.

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I'm not particularly invested in Musky either. The problem is wealth does not equal intelligence, however, wealth is often confused for intelligence because of the world's values. Nor does IQ necessarily equal intelligence. IQ is measured by how well one does on any number of different kinds of tests.

As an example, take Bill Gates running a contest for sewage treatment for India [link] a multi-million dollar solution that would require a substantial investment in infrastructure. Fortunately, someone talked some sense into Gates and realized that Composting Toilets would work much better for India - [link] and people still think that's Genius in action. But look here - [link]

So is what you are telling us that because Musky "makes the left cry" you think he is smart?

Musky's twitter frequently caters to his own interests. Musky passes gas and crapto either tanks or goes through the roof - and I am sure he knows that and willfully intends his "twitter" to do such things. I am sure that he realized that his challenge would get him press, and he had no other reason for doing it. He may even have a messiah complex.

If you want to believe that wealth and IQ are significant, more power to you!

QuantumPhysics said

The US instigated this crisis by attempting to finance and arm Ukrainians into hostilities against Russians in Luhansk and Donetsk. Now, it's completely swung in the opposite direction and Russia is literally taking over Ukraine entirely. The western propaganda continues to lie about Russian casualties and progress, but the reality is, Russia is winning and they are now ready to take Kyiv.

Naturally, you won't hear the truth till after they do because only then will the media be forced to tell the truth.

In the aftermath, Ukraine is being flattened.

I'd say Russia is determined to take Ukraine so they can later bargain for sanctions reduction and control how, when and if Ukraine is rebuilt.

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"I'm done being an expert in vaccines. I am now an expert in the Ukraine conflict..."
[link]

wiyosaya said

I'm not particularly invested in Musky either. The problem is wealth does not equal intelligence, however, wealth is often confused for intelligence because of the world's values. Nor does IQ necessarily equal intelligence. IQ is measured by how well one does on any number of different kinds of tests.

As an example, take Bill Gates running a contest for sewage treatment for India [link] a multi-million dollar solution that would require a substantial investment in infrastructure. Fortunately, someone talked some sense into Gates and realized that Composting Toilets would work much better for India - [link] and people still think that's Genius in action. But look here - [link]

So is what you are telling us that because Musky "makes the left cry" you think he is smart?

Musky's twitter frequently caters to his own interests. Musky passes gas and crapto either tanks or goes through the roof - and I am sure he knows that and willfully intends his "twitter" to do such things. I am sure that he realized that his challenge would get him press, and he had no other reason for doing it. He may even have a messiah complex.

If you want to believe that wealth and IQ are significant, more power to you!

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No, I do not think IQ AUTOMATICALLY equals wealth nor does it take much intelligence to perturb the left. My point was that he's obviously not an ***** with a 150+ IQ. Also regardless of what anyone thinks of his views or anything else he has been smart enough to make good decisions leading to massive wealth and success. So again I think it's safe to say that he's not stupid.

Shadowboxer said

The problem is, Western leaders have undermined the democracy in the Ukraine with all sorts of corruption, the Ukraine received billions more than most other countries from the US state department and I still want to know how Hunter Biden got an extremely lucrative position on the board of an energy company out there. Id also like to know how much of the Ukrainian military is openly Nazi and how much money and training they have received from the west. We know some definitely are Nazis, theres dozens of documentaries about Azov on youtuve even.

Im with you, I live in the west I wouldnt want to live in or under Russia. But if you criminalise Russian seperatists and remove their representation within a democracy you dont have the right to say you have "western values". That makes the Ukraine no better than Russia or any other dictatorship. Putin should be condemned, there is no justification for his actions. But his actions do not absolve the meddling by the west in the Ukraine and they do not change the fact that the Ukraine is not actually a democracy despite the lies of the western leaders.

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Ukraine is not a beacon of democracy, but it is a democracy, because it had free elections. Separatists are criminalized in any country, because, duh, they challenge the sovereignty of the state. Ukraine army, now with compulsory enlisting is, Idk, about 6 million men, out of which these 2500 members of Azov are presumably neo-nazis. Moreover, Azov is not part of the army, but of National Guard. They fight really well, so, when your very survival is at stake, the authorities let this one slide and thinking about the millions of White Supremacist in the US that would put up the same kind of fight if America was invaded, I really don`t blame them. However, taking Putin`s claims of "denazification" is just ridiculous. Zelensky is obviously Jewish, the biggest memorial of the Holocaust, Babyn Yar is in Ukraine and was bombed by the Russians btw and the far right party got so few votes that it didn`t even make it to the Ukrainian Parliament. If you start to nitpick you`ll find no country is perfect, but take a step back and see the big picture. Nothing justifies war and suffering. Nothing justifies the purpose killing of civilians to break the will of a free elected government. This is Putin`s imperial ambitions and he will not stop. With every conquest, he will be embolden. Who knows, if he succeeds, China, Iran, North Korea will be embolden too, to take everything they want by force and then, our democratic world, that we take for granted, will soon shatter.

Shadowboxer said

Ive not seen any right wingers saying good things about Putin. But I would say the left seem to want the west to go to war against him more than the right does. Which is bizarre, its historically the right who is calling for military action.

Personally the very last thing I want is for NATO to get involved in this conflict. Im sorry but the Ukraine is one country, its not worth dragging the entire west into a war with Russia over.

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Rightfully said. I find your observations very well balanced and on point, despite being a westerner. I bet most people here did not imagine what kind of war we'd have to face had Ukraine actually joined NATO. I guess it would be a nuclear one, most probably. Russians won't let those black sea shores under NATO control.

Ohnooze said

What are you even talking about? I honestly have not seen anyone support Putin except China.

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Trump has. He called Putin "smart and savvy", in front of a Republican meeting of one sort or another. Have a look.

captaincranky said

Trump has. He called Putin "smart and savvy", in front of a Republican meeting of one sort or another. Have a look.

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Putin is smart. Sure hes an invading dictator. But that doesnt make him "stupid". Putin has a lot of of leadership characteristics. But then so did Hitler. Recognising this doesnt make anyone a "Russian sympathiser".

Although in my opinion, invading the Ukraine was not a smart decision.

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Trump has. He called Putin "smart and savvy", in front of a Republican meeting of one sort or another. Have a look.

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And? So lots of dirt bags are those things...that doesn't mean he want's to touch his private area.

emmzo said

It's good that you have the luxury of thinking about geopolitics so relaxed in, I suppose, a democratic country. I live in eastern Europe, in an ex-communist country and half of century of russian hegemony had brought only poverty, oppression, terror and dehumanization. I'm telling you, there's a reason everyone here wants to embrace the West, because whatever the flaws of democracies, a person can reach his/her true potential, because they are free. A lot of Russians want that too and a democracy in Russia would probably make it a truly big power. However, we can debate any time the problems of the West, but this is not "whataboutism". Putin's Russia is turning more and more into a stalinist state and it's only going to bring misery, hardships and distraught and force people back into a dark era that should be long forgotten, including his fellow Russians. So sure, you can root for Putin and justify "geopolitically" his atrocities and crimes, blaming the west for "inciting" him, blaming Ukraine for wanting to create its own path, doing his work in sowing division, but remember, you should be grateful that you are free to say whatever you want, you should be grateful you live in a democracy and have the opportunities you have and then you will see what good vs bad really means.

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It's the fear of a Western backed coup and its expansion eastwards which is causing Russia, like China, to become more autocratic to defend their sovereignty.

I recommend reading Putin's speech in full on the reasons given for the invasion; Ukraine attacking rebel provinces since 2014, passed laws taking away minority/Russian language rights (other countries like Hungary/EU have concerns about these laws too), pursuing NATO membership.

Ukraine in 2014 could have followed the Finnish path and become a neutral EU member with a guarantee of neutrality to Moscow, something still on offer by Putin.

In West you have the freedom to say what is mainstream or you risk getting cancelled or in some parts of Western Europe, fined/jailed.

eforce said

It's the fear of a Western backed coup and its expansion eastwards which is causing Russia, like China, to become more autocratic to defend their sovereignty.

I recommend reading Putin's speech in full on the reasons given for the invasion; Ukraine attacking rebel provinces since 2014, passed laws taking away minority/Russian language rights (other countries like Hungary/EU have concerns about these laws too), pursuing NATO membership.

Ukraine in 2014 could have followed the Finnish path and become a neutral EU member with a guarantee of neutrality to Moscow, something still on offer by Putin.

In West you have the freedom to say what is mainstream or you risk getting cancelled or in some parts of Western Europe, fined/jailed.

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I don`t need to read his garbage, because I saw Putin`s speech live. A chill got through my spine. He said he doesn`t recognize any ex-soviet state, which basically means he will start a war with each of them and most likely NATO over the Baltic countries. He also specified NATO should retreat to year 1997, so countries like mine should be left at his mercy. He claimed Ukraine is part of Russia, even though Kyiv is older than Moscow. He said he`s going to "denazify" Ukraine, which means taking over the free elected government of a country, whose leader is Jewish, btw. And him talking about minority Russians rights when he killed over half of million Chechens and Georgians is ridiculous and more so because the vast majority of the Russian minority in Ukraine fights Putin alongside Ukrainians. Now, wouldn`t you pursue a NATO membership if large chunks your country were torn up (Crimeea, Luhansk and Donetsk) ?

This isn't a movie. People are being killed and homes destroyed. We should not make light of this.

scavengerspc said

Tucker Carlson
Josh Hawley
Alex Jones
JD Vance
Candace Owens

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captaincranky said

Trump has. He called Putin "smart and savvy", in front of a Republican meeting of one sort or another. Have a look.

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Good catch. Somehow I missed the one that actually seems sexually attracted to Putin.

Shadowboxer said

Putin is smart. Sure hes an invading dictator. But that doesnt make him "stupid". Putin has a lot of of leadership characteristics. But then so did Hitler. Recognising this doesnt make anyone a "Russian sympathiser".

Although in my opinion, invading the Ukraine was not a smart decision.

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I'll think you'll agree, (or possibly not), that's Trumps inflection and the demeanor of his speech, if anything, smacks of admiration.

Someone, (I think Steven Colbert), remarked, "Trump thinks everything is a land deal".

Trump: "He got a whole country for two cents worth of sanctions".

You can't even sneak up on Trump from upwind, and not smell that he's a piece of sh!t.

captaincranky said

I'll think you'll agree, (or possibly not), that's Trumps inflection and the demeanor of his speech, if anything, smacks of admiration.

Someone, (I think Steven Colbert), remarked, "Trump thinks everything is a land deal".

Trump: "He got a whole country for two cents worth of sanctions".

You can't even sneak up on Trump from upwind, and not smell that he's a piece of sh!t.

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Trump may be a piece of crap but Stephen Colbert, like 99% of the media and hollywood, has not an ounce of credibility. Their opinion is just completely irrelevant. Similar to listening to Fox talk about the Clintons...too biased to even matter.

emmzo said

It's good that you have the luxury of thinking about geopolitics so relaxed in, I suppose, a democratic country. I live in eastern Europe, in an ex-communist country and half of century of russian hegemony had brought only poverty, oppression, terror and dehumanization. I'm telling you, there's a reason everyone here wants to embrace the West, because whatever the flaws of democracies, a person can reach his/her true potential, because they are free. A lot of Russians want that too and a democracy in Russia would probably make it a truly big power. However, we can debate any time the problems of the West, but this is not "whataboutism". Putin's Russia is turning more and more into a stalinist state and it's only going to bring misery, hardships and distraught and force people back into a dark era that should be long forgotten, including his fellow Russians. So sure, you can root for Putin and justify "geopolitically" his atrocities and crimes, blaming the west for "inciting" him, blaming Ukraine for wanting to create its own path, doing his work in sowing division, but remember, you should be grateful that you are free to say whatever you want, you should be grateful you live in a democracy and have the opportunities you have and then you will see what good vs bad really means.

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I do not love Russia, or Putin. The opposite, in fact - I'm acutely aware of his Stalinist revanchism and his desire to resurrect, in some form, the Soviet empire. I've friends in the Baltic states that feel the same as you.

But I love my own leaders less because they represent something which is quickly becoming evident will lead to something even worse than 20th century communism - a global state sympathetic to those ideals and envious of its control, powered by the internet and AI. "Manmade horrors beyond your comprehension," as put by Tesla. You may have looked up to the West of the past as a beacon of freedom, but it is a light that every day current-day Westerners and their leaders are striving to snuff out and pervert into something sinister, and giving them free reign over the globe would be disastrous.

I don't want Russia in Ukraine, nor do I trust NATO in Ukraine. I think if Ukraine was wiser it would have strove to be leader of a neutral bloc, a buffer between the west and Russia, but unfortunately that is out the window now, and I know the worst mistake that could be made now would be to escalate the situation and start another forever-war that destroys the next generation the way the Iraq and Afghanistan wars destroyed my own.

Dimitriid said

That guy has not done a single thing.

He comes from a rich South African white family (As in, directly benefited from Apartheid South Africa) got lucky with some early investments and has done nothing but attach his name and money to existing projects.

Even more than the usual, he's done nothing to actually build all the tech his companies are capable of. That's the work of engineers and workers, often poorly compensated and mistreated just so that Musk can become the richest person in history with their creativity, intelligence and dedication.

If anything, Musk has been routinely shown to get in the way of more significant advances with stupid ideas like the hyperloop.

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Is this attitude because he said something anti woke a while ago, and the woke can't seem to cancel him?
Just wondering. Guys an *** with money.

terzaerian said

I do not love Russia, or Putin. The opposite, in fact - I'm acutely aware of his Stalinist revanchism and his desire to resurrect, in some form, the Soviet empire. I've friends in the Baltic states that feel the same as you.

But I love my own leaders less because they represent something which is quickly becoming evident will lead to something even worse than 20th century communism - a state sympathetic to those ideals and envious of its control, powered by the internet and AI. "Manmade horrors beyond your comprehension," as put by Tesla. You may have looked up to the West of the past as a beacon of freedom, but it is a light that every day current-day Westerners and their leaders are striving to snuff out and pervert into something sinister, and giving them free reign over the globe would be disastrous.

I don't want Russia in Ukraine, nor do I trust NATO in Ukraine. I think if Ukraine was wiser it would have strove to be leader of a neutral bloc, a buffer between the west and Russia, but unfortunately that is out the window now.

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I still believe people have a voice in a democracy and you have the power to make a change. The problem in the West right now is people are divided so much that they don`t trust change is actually possible. They basically don`t trust they have any power anymore and so they feel lost and aggrieved and gave up hope in democracy. But always remember you`re not alone and trust me, if enough people unite and push back, no one can stop the people. Democracy only dies when people forget they have the power.

emmzo said

He said he doesn`t recognize any ex-soviet state

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Can you link to where he said that?

eforce said

Can you link to where he said that?

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Read his statement again, but not ad literam. He said these republics were created by the Bolsheviks, but they did not make sense outside the Soviet Union, ergo their legitimacy was only given by corrupt politicians in the Communist Party that collapsed the USSR... It is also well known his deepest aggrievance is the fall of USSR, so he will not say it explicitly, but it's not so hard to put one and two together.

Ramzan Kadyrov, head of the Chechen Republic just offered to train Musk for the "battle".