Apple removes Parler from the App Store and Amazon cuts off its hosting access

This is lovely. They're probably gonna go the way of 4chan. In any case, breaking the radicalization pipeline for the average internet user is good. It's too easy for gullible (average) people to get caught up in a web (no pun intended, but one works) of disinformation leading to estrangement from reality.

Parler may seem like a free platform to some but only people with a specific viewpoint have decided to join it, so it is an echo chamber. Further, it moderates content, just not a specific kind that those people post.

On 10/01/2021 at 09:40 AM, derpityderp said:

This is lovely. They're probably gonna go the way of 4chan. In any case, breaking the radicalization pipeline for the average internet user is good. It's too easy for gullible (average) people to get caught up in a web (no pun intended, but one works) of disinformation leading to estrangement from reality.

Parler may seem like a free platform to some but only people with a specific viewpoint have decided to join it, so it is an echo chamber. Further, it moderates content, just not a specific kind that those people post.

Exactly, go on there and post anything counter to what they like and your posts get removed or you get banned. So much for free speech, more like free to post what I agree with.

On 10/01/2021 at 09:40 AM, derpityderp said:

This is lovely. They're probably gonna go the way of 4chan. In any case, breaking the radicalization pipeline for the average internet user is good. It's too easy for gullible (average) people to get caught up in a web (no pun intended, but one works) of disinformation leading to estrangement from reality.

Parler may seem like a free platform to some but only people with a specific viewpoint have decided to join it, so it is an echo chamber. Further, it moderates content, just not a specific kind that those people post.

Ahh 4chan, that was the name of the "social media" platform I was thinking of!! The concern of any social media platform these days are that they are all echo chambers. News sites are also really bad, depending on how strong their bias is.

Disinformation is too easily looped back on itself. I have a friend here in Aus who is not a Trump fan by any means, but he claimed something that just wasn't true. I asked him where he heard that from, and his reply was "my pastor told me". So I asked where his pastor had heard that. "They watched a video". He's a relatively smart guy, but the issue with someone you trust telling you anything, is that you are inclined to believe them.

The same applies for Trump as POTUS, though on a much broader scale (even internationally). People trust him, and took him on his word. Turns out, all he was doing was reading things that he wanted to, the biggest echo chamber of all, and he "legitimised" what was previously written off as loony, and to his supporters, it became fact. And that is irrespective of if it was true or not..

Glad to see the end of him.

On 10/01/2021 at 10:00 AM, samw61 said:

On 10/01/2021 at 09:40 AM, derpityderp said:

This is lovely. They're probably gonna go the way of 4chan. In any case, breaking the radicalization pipeline for the average internet user is good. It's too easy for gullible (average) people to get caught up in a web (no pun intended, but one works) of disinformation leading to estrangement from reality.

Parler may seem like a free platform to some but only people with a specific viewpoint have decided to join it, so it is an echo chamber. Further, it moderates content, just not a specific kind that those people post.

Ahh 4chan, that was the name of the "social media" platform I was thinking of!! The concern of any social media platform these days are that they are all echo chambers. News sites are also really bad, depending on how strong their bias is.

Disinformation is too easily looped back on itself. I have a friend here in Aus who is not a Trump fan by any means, but he claimed something that just wasn't true. I asked him where he heard that from, and his reply was "my pastor told me". So I asked where his pastor had heard that. "They watched a video". He's a relatively smart guy, but the issue with someone you trust telling you anything, is that you are inclined to believe them.

The same applies for Trump as POTUS, though on a much broader scale (even internationally). People trust him, and took him on his word. Turns out, all he was doing was reading things that he wanted to, the biggest echo chamber of all, and he "legitimised" what was previously written off as loony, and to his supporters, it became fact. And that is irrespective of if it was true or not..

Glad to see the end of him.

Yes, one of the most baffling things to me is how educated and otherwise smart people including those who are tech literate can fall into the trap of online scams and disinformation. Education probably decreases the likelihood of that happening but it doesn't make one immune.

An anecdote I have is someone who is so completely delusional that he believes "NESARA/GESARA" is a real thing and it's happening. He told me it was gonna happen on October 19, that Trump was gonna win, the certification would be different, etc. and now that none of that has happened, he still maintains it's not over. It's based on such loosely spun tales and misreadings of true things that there's no arguing. But the baffling part is this person has a command of language and knows how to form arguments. He's not illiterate. His arguments are (at times) logically sound but they operate on a simply untrue set of premises and axioms.

I didn't check but I saw posts from others saying that people were on their trying to organize yet another capital building "protest" and whatever other crazy ideas you can think of. If so I can see why they've moved so fast.

Of course others will inevitably cry about free speech.

On 10/01/2021 at 09:57 AM, George P said:

I didn't check but I saw posts from others saying that people were on their trying to organize yet another capital building "protest" and whatever other crazy ideas you can think of. If so I can see why they've moved so fast.

Of course others will inevitably cry about free speech.

They are indeed trying to do an "armed protest" on the 19th. It's hard to tell what's self aggrandisement, what's delusion, and what's reality with these people but some said the 6th was only the beginning. I don't think any attempted attack on the 19th will be as big and hopefully security will be more prepared. Now it's no longer theoretical.

Parler, it’s really simple. Follow the rules of these companies, and you won’t have issues. I’m not sure why some folks don’t understand this. You can have your free speech, to an extent (again, read up on what this means), when you are not reliant on a third party.

On 10/01/2021 at 10:06 AM, JHBrown said:

Parler, it’s really simple. Follow the rules of these companies, and you won’t have issues. I’m not sure why some folks don’t understand this. You can have your free speech, to an extent (again, read up on what this means), when you are not reliant on a third party.

I really like that you specify "to an extent" because even free speech in a governmental context has limitations. There are absolutely things you can say that the government can persecute you for in all parts of the world, including the USA. It's super-precedent and was voted on, 9-0. Now I don't necessarily agree that each instance of the government persecuting people for speech has been fair, but that is the reality, and that is the law that's upheld by courts.

Many Americans live in a delusional fantasy that US courts do or have ever recognized "natural rights" (regardless of the beliefs of the framers). It's a neoliberal lie told by corporations so people feel like they have some semblance of control (over the government, which they don't, instead of trying to get any over the economy, which they don't either under a neoliberal model).

If you declare the current US state as illegitimate and try to overthrow it the way the founding fathers did using the same arguments they used to justify such an act, you'll make no more than a fool out of yourself and land in prison for the rest of your life.

On 10/01/2021 at 10:14 AM, derpityderp said:

On 10/01/2021 at 10:06 AM, JHBrown said:

Parler, it’s really simple. Follow the rules of these companies, and you won’t have issues. I’m not sure why some folks don’t understand this. You can have your free speech, to an extent (again, read up on what this means), when you are not reliant on a third party.

I really like that you specify "to an extent" because even free speech in a governmental context has limitations. There are absolutely things you can say that the government can persecute you for in all parts of the world, including the USA. It's super-precedent and was voted on, 9-0. Now I don't necessarily agree that each instance of the government persecuting people for speech has been fair, but that is the reality, and that is the law that's upheld by courts.

Many Americans live in a delusional fantasy that US courts do or have ever recognized "natural rights" (regardless of the beliefs of the framers). It's a neoliberal lie told by corporations so people feel like they have some semblance of control (over the government, which they don't, instead of trying to get any over the economy, which they don't either under a neoliberal model).

If you declare the current US state as illegitimate and try to overthrow it the way the founding fathers did using the same arguments they used to justify such an act, you'll make no more than a fool out of yourself and land in prison for the rest of your life.

Bolded the relevant bit here:

If you run around a crowded airport and shout "There's a bomb!!!" when there is none, is that free speech? Absolutely not. Freedom of speech allows you to say what you want, it doesn't shield you from potential repercussions of that speech.

That screenshot is haunting. Are these really the types of people that should have guns/explosives? What a farce that government backdoor spying system is then if so far it's failed to prevent any of this, and they wonder why people are against it...

"war on free speech" LMAO... No such war exists.

It's more accurately a war on HATE speech, and those who spread it. Google, Apple etc are private companies, and decides what is allowed on their platforms and what isn't. Simple as that.

When a bakery refuses service to a gay couple wanting to get married, Conservatives cheer them on. When Google refuses service to companies like Parler, suddenly it's undemocratic.