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Europe Baked in 'Extreme Heat Stress' Pushing Temperatures To Record Highs
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"The cost of climate action may seem high," said WMO secretary-general Celeste Saulo, "but the cost of inaction is much higher." The report found that temperatures across Europe were above average for 11 months of 2023, including the warmest September since records began. The hot and dry weather fuelled large fires that ravaged villages and spewed smoke that choked far-off cities. The blazes that firefighters battled were particularly fierce in drought-stricken southern countries such as Portugal, Spain and Italy. Greece was hit by the largest wildfire recorded in the EU, which burned 96,000 hectares of land, according to the report. Heavy rain also led to deadly floods. Europe was about 7% wetter in 2023 than the average over the last three decades, the report found, and one-third of its river network crossed the "high" flood threshold. One-sixth hit "severe" levels.
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Now that the predicted impacts are appearing, global food prices have increased, wildlife populations are down 69%, wildfires, flooding and drought are impacting more areas, and we see temperature and precipitation records over and over again.
Even those people who don't follow science, and get their news from sources that lean heavily on native advertising, including from the fossil fuel industry, can see what is occurring.
Why can't you?-
It's called willful ignorance.
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It's like playing hide and seek with a three year old that covers his eyes and thinks if he can't see you, you can't see him.
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surely by now though wed see some concrete predictions no?
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> global food prices have increased
It’s called war and exacerbated by unelected dictators in the WHO shutting down the planet economies for several years.
> wildlife populations are down 69%
But it all seems fine here. Such a general statement needs links.
> wildfires
Happen every year. Last two years showed what happens when you save money by not managing large masses of burnable materials aka, large masses of trees and brush. To save cash and also thanks to the couple of years of economic s
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See: https://ourworldindata.org/liv... [ourworldindata.org]
It's also a mischaracterization to attribute all of those (or any changes) to climate change. Climate change is certainly affecting things but it doesn't take into account deforestation of the Amazon, loss of habitat in the urban/forest interface.
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Your first mistake was believing that people weren't seeing the issue. They all saw it. Very few people will deal directly with truth, they will avoid it even until death. So they lie and come up with all sorts of mental gymnastics to keep you from the truth, completely ignoring that dealing with the truth with solve all of the problems.
So we get 'energy' companies lying, politicians lying, and a bunch of stupid people following those lies and blocking any chance at fixing the issue.
Welcome to the planet Ea
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what predictions when? Im sure the science is solid but one thing the climatologist are lax in is concrete predictions. genuinely, i stand to be corrected but I cannot find anything but vague "worse than now" statements
and have done for billions of years. its your choice to call this "above" nature or separate from nature. man-made is irrelevant
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The green-beaners would prefer to live in an ice-age wearing wolf-skins: a savage life except for some current city-dwellers. Civilization is the benefit humans progressively for the last 20,000 years have gained from burning fossil fuel. Yes, there are current savages and they are least able to cope with climate change of any source.
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So what. the days of using caveman solutions of burning fossil fuels are over, every dog has its day and fossil have had theirs.
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Go back into the caves. Like you said, we had our day, now it's time to go back.
Thing is there are so many deluded people who think we can continue as is with solar and wind:D
We either build nuclear and use hot rocks that are just sitting there in the ground or we go back to pre-industry.
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Melodrama much?
We have the technology to wane us from the habit of fossils now. Yes, it is indeed possible to have civilization AND a habitable planet.
Actually, considering how humans react when resources (especially stuff like food and water) get scarce, I dare say having a habitable planet is a prerequisite for retaining civilization.
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> We have the technology to wane us from the habit of fossils now
No we dont, what universe are you looking at?
To build that stuff we are using MORE and MORE fossil fuels as we refuse to build nuclear at all.
Show me where worldwide coal demand has gone down and I might believe you. Instead you will find that to produce the panels and turbines and EV's coal demand is increasing year on year and wont decrease for a long time yet.
People are wanting to capture carbon etc, but just simply ignore the sheer cra
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We've had our first few dry/sunny days this year in Ireland over the weekend. Makes sense that the rest of the world would be burning so-
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1970s called. They want their fearmongering back.
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Talking to yourself again, I see?
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All they got was a climate change zealots answerphone because they were busy gluing themselves to roads.
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Seems like now would be a good time to get into the AC business in the EU....
There's always a business opportunity if you just look for it.
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I wish. It's fucking snowing again here in Southern Finland. Can we have some of that "heat stress" please? I had plans to have some fun with football today. Don't think it's happening.
Also was hilarious how quite a few idiots believed the popular narrative and started changing their summer tyres earlier, because late winters aren't a thing any more because of global warming.
Now they're clogging insurance company emergency numbers, because skating on summer tyres is awesome until you encounter a tree or a d
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A month ago it was freezing. 2 weeks ago, we hit the 30s (Celsius, that's like the 90s in backwards units). We're now back to freezing temperatures. But don't you worry, we should be back in the 30s come May.
You want to call that normal?
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> You want to call that normal?
It's called weather and thats what I've seen since 1980
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Still not exactly warm though.
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Looks pretty hot everywhere.
Tropics (equatoral):
https://www.miragenews.com/unp... [miragenews.com]US:
https://www.foxweather.com/wea... [foxweather.com]The ocean is still at record heat levels as well:
https://climatereanalyzer.org/... [climatereanalyzer.org]Ugh. It was a very nice day today, to be appreciated.
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It's coming for those who cant afford to buy their way out of the problem, the wealthy with the power to actually fix it have no desire to fix it since it doesn't affect them.. Until its far to late.
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Look at how many people on Slashdot jump on these articles to post about how it's all a hoax or whatever. It's not just the wealthy, and I doubt they're all part of a paid social manipulation campaign. It's morons. We have hordes of useful idiots holding us back in addition to the much smaller number of elites with entrenched interests in the current state of affairs.
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Quite true.
The useful idiots are usually choosing their view or action based on a perceived (often irrational or miss-informed) fear of something.
The wealthy via politics and advertising control and deliver fear, and use it to drive the decisions of useful idiots to behave in ways that benefit them.
General comment, not directed at anyone: No matter how small or otherwise insignificant your or our choices are, doing the right thing matters, even on small levels, every day. Or to put it another way, don't let
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It's not morons.
It's people overwhelmed with multiple crisis scenarios that they can't handle. Most of us wish for a stable society and environment because it makes it easier to plan a future. You wouldn't build a house if you're not sure it's still going to be there in five years.
Calling people morons instead of understanding the actual problem is also a way to avoid looking at it too closely, probably because the complexity is overwhelming to you, too. Easier to just call people morons and be done with it
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Aren't the people who poop on climate science the same who usually lament that people care way, way too much about the fee-fees of people today and that they should just grow a pair and toughen up.
So toughen up, morons!
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No, they're morons.
I am overwhelmed by them, but not because I lack the ability to understand them. There are simply so many of them and they are dedicated not only to not adapting, but to holding everyone else back with them.
Morons. Maybe not by medical definition, but close enough that it is a descriptively useful term.
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The rich would like Elysium (thus the push for off planet activity) but will end up with Soylent Green (thus the purchasing of islands and private enclaves)...
Covering their bases.
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Remember last June when science.org published an article about how cleaning up sulfur pollutants from ship fuels were causing a noticeable warming in ocean temperatures? Oops. The lesson we need to learn from this and learn it quite rapidly is that we need to focus on CO2 and methane and leave everything else intact because, pollutant or not, it might actually be helping us stave off warming.
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Too bad the Europeans have a thing against AC.
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Yeah that's the real root of the problem, here.
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That's very glib. But it is clearly obvious that air conditioning could mitigate the effects of heat on the sensitive. I note that your "heat wave" is normal temperatures for most of the USA, we don't have people keeling over dead on New Orleans/Houston streets every July.
Having air conditioning would definitely reduce the death count and is a practical solution that can be implemented right now, for relatively cheap. But you apparently want to wait around for a perfect solution in the indefinite future (
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Until you are running your AC totally on renewables, you are part of the CO2 problem
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Until you are running your AC totally on renewables, you are part of the CO2 problem
Still.....better than sweating....
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We don't.
It's just not necessary in 90% of Europe. We didn't build mega-cities in near tropical climate. A week or two of really hot weather during the summer is not a problem and you wouldn't install an AC just for that.
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So out of the 15 in the list only 7 are in Europe and none of them is a megacitiy.
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By modern standards, where there are 25 million people in Los Angeles and immediately surrounding areas, no. But a million people in one place is still a lot.
Anyway stop talking about Europe like it's some isolated region, it's a sandwich.
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s/it's just not/it just was not/g
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A week or two of really hot weather during the summer is not a problem and you wouldn't install an AC just for that.
I would.
I'd at least have a few window units around for when I needed them....much like they do in older US homes built before central AC was a thing.
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AC helped cause this problem. Nobody needs AC below 30 deg C, turn on a fan, cool,the house down each morning with free cool air outside.
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That was fine before the current climate, now all you do is draw in the morning high humidity. I guess if you live in a dry desert it can still work.
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Not really. In some countries like the US politicians can be beholden to the anti-scientific narrative created by fossil fuel industry, because of how much money you need to be elected. But the increase in temperatures, droughts, flooding fires and sea levels are facts that are generally accepted.
This is not how science works. No grant application ever includes what the findings of the research will be.
It's not rocket science. Increasing greenhouse gasses is increasing the greenhouse effect. Most people can
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In Europe, "since records began" refers to late 19th Century. The meteorological service of the Paris observatory was founded 1854; it launches meteorological balloons since 1898, and started broadcasting 3 daily bulletins from by the Eiffel tower radio emitter in 1922. Their archive http://archivesmeteo.fr/ [archivesmeteo.fr] shows that big cities have basic observations from the 1850s and exhaustive data since 1890s (it's just disappointingly telling data is paper kept in some library and you need to go there).
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Usually when talking about global climate the "since records began" claim means since we had somewhat reliable *global* records, not just Europe. That means since the mid 1940s. For really reliable data we have proxy records (full of inconvenient facts best ignored apparently) and, recently satellite data (too new for any but the most recent and short term comparisons).
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Not reading the article is a Slashdot meme. You didn't even bother to read the first word of the article title before dashing off something silly.
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Err....I did. The first word of the article is "Scorching". What is the deep meaning that I am supposed not to have noticed? This article is all about a few examples of hot weather over a period of just a few decades. It also makes claims such as "the largest wildfire recorded in the EU". Obviously very bad but how old is the EU? It was created in 1993. 1993. Only 31 years ago. This "record" of the largest wildfire is not a real record. It is an event in a context of only 31 years! But the originatin
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Any evidence that the EU did not use the data from records from all European countries prior to the establishment of the EU?
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The article is from the Guardian, this kind of writing is normal throughout the paper.
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> Not reading the article is a Slashdot meme
It's the Guardian. I'm in the UK and we know better.
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This is about the temperature observation in Europe, from the moment Europeans started recording reliable data, about 150 years ago. Other parts of the world are not the question here. Ancient Chinese chronicles have rainfall observations for thousands of years https://www.jstor.org/stable/2... [jstor.org] .
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It's amazing that when it comes to stating simple, verifiable and non-contentious facts about the longevity of human urban civilisation, the recency and very limited nature of modern global climate data, that the proxy records show much warmer and much cooler periods *during* our civilised period as a species, the result on slashdot is *always* to be moderated down as troll and flamebait. Sometimes there is also verbal abuse, ridicule, even threats. So far I've got off lightly this time. Interesting deba
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CO2 traps heat.
Man makes too much CO2
trapped heat warms the planet.
You're welcome.-
CO2 levels have been massively higher in the past with no effect on global temperature. CO2 makes up only 0.04% of the atmosphere. It is essentially a trace element.
You're welcome anonymous pussy.
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Hey everyone look here. julian67 just solved climate change by denying physics.
Why didn't anyone realize sooner it was just that simple? -
Classic "I don't know enough about it to know I don't know enough" comment
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Dont worry some of us agree 100%
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Exactly!
Also cities like Rome and Paris for example had much warmer climates in their past with rivers much lower. There is a roman bridge in Paris that is underwater because the river is so much higher today!
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The only downside to returning to the normal warm climate we would have between ice ages is: the UK where I live will get more exotic insects, like the wasps from France.
I've had it easy all my life not having things that can put me in a coma flying about but looks like thats ending. Luckily they are still rare in the UK.
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Nope, USA has the record of cumulative CO2 emissions since 1750, Europe is 2nd and then China.
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As we removed poverty and lengthened the worlds lifetimes, the worlds populations had no problem over populating.
Seems like the blame is there
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No, you exported poverty.
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Maybe some are, but both in my place and where my parents live (1200 km away, that's 750 miles for the metrically challenged) temperatures have plummeted to near freezing at night and single-digits during the day (in Celsius, that's the 35 to 45 range in Fahrenheit for the temperature scale challenged).
I don't doubt climate change at all. But shoddy journalism that creates headlines where those allegedly affected go "what? not at all, why are you lying?" only helps the deniers.
If you look at a weather map o
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> still well below ordinary summer days.
Not here: those were "regular" summer days where I live. 30C+ is a "Tropical day" in local meterological jargon. We average around 15 of those per year. Getting 2 in April is very unusual.
Now we're at -5C at night (not unexpected for this time of year). That's a death sentence for many a crop after the heat (blooming flowers + frost = no fruit). Not to mention pollinators being out of season. It is an interesting year so far.
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Pot, meet kettle.
From TFS (a couple of sentences before your quote):
>...helped push temperatures in Europe last year to the highest or second-highest levels ever recorded...
It's not about this year, or last week - it's about last year. You know, the one where half of southern europe was on fire - that one. People died through all of that - they're called "heat related deaths", which TFS also mentions. The article (and TFS) is pretty clear, although it mixes tenses which is maybe what's confusing.
As for
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We just had frost this night! Scorching, heh. Negative records broken.
Almost a month before the Ice Saints. shocking I say!-
the/s signoff was eaten... Oh well, downmod away.
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A Guardian article.
That explains it.
They are like The Sun but for left wing politics.
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... was cancelled last winter and you could almost wade through the Rhine where I live last summer. Right now we just had 0C (freezing threshold) this morning before sunrise but 8 days ago people were walking around in T-Shirts with 28C outside.
Last year the tourists left the Mediterranean because it was too warm. The actual Mediterranean Sea was to warm, with water temperatures reaching 30C and more. Two years ago in summer you'd have 37C after sundown for days on end.
Not fun and bad news for Southern Euro
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Where the hell was the water in the mediterranean 30C? Where are your facts?
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