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Introducing Incus [LWN.net]

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Introducing Incus

[Posted August 7, 2023 by jake]
The Linux Containers project has announced the addition of Incus, which is a fork of LXD 5.16 started by Aleksa Sarai. Incus was created in response to Canonical's removal of LXD from Linux Containers.
After some discussion with Aleksa and a fair bit of encouragement from our community, we have made the decision to take Incus under the umbrella of Linux Containers and will commit to it the infrastructure which was previously made available to LXD.

The goal of Incus is to provide a fully community led alternative to Canonical's LXD as well as providing an opportunity to correct some mistakes that were made during LXD's development which couldn't be corrected without breaking backward compatibility.

In addition to Aleksa, the initial set of maintainers for Incus will include Christian Brauner, Serge Hallyn, Stéphane Graber and Tycho Andersen, effectively including the entire team that once created LXD.

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Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 7, 2023 15:12 UTC (Mon) by atnot (subscriber, #124910) [Link]

It is worth noting that canonical not only moved the project away from linux containers, a questionable move, but then immediately, removed the rights maintainers that were not canonical employees [1], a baffling and reprehensible move.

It seems canonical is intent on destroying any remaining goodwill they have left in the community so: Long live Incus, may LXD go the way of all other projects where canonical thought they could just go on their own.

[1] https://mastodon.social/@brauner/110781239093096206

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 7, 2023 15:51 UTC (Mon) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link]

Based on what interaction I've had with Canonical management, I'm not surprised they'd pull this kind of alienating move.

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 7, 2023 16:41 UTC (Mon) by geofft (subscriber, #59789) [Link]

At the time this was announced Stéphane Graber was still at Canonical, but it turns out he was leaving: https://stgraber.org/2023/07/10/time-to-move-on/

> As I’ve told colleagues and upper management, Canonical isn’t the company I excitedly joined back in 2011 and it’s not a company that I would want to join today, therefore it shouldn’t be a company that I keep working for either.

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 7, 2023 21:06 UTC (Mon) by flussence (subscriber, #85566) [Link]

I've tried to maintain the impression that Canonical were bumbling, merely a bit incompetent and not actively hostile, and were playing a role of maintaining healthy competition in the non-grassroots Linux space. 2023 is where I run out of patience with these type of corporations.

What's left that hasn't completely shrivelled into W95-era Microsoft behaviour? SuSE? Anyone know what they're up to? I assume no news is good news but I'm bracing to be wrong.

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 8, 2023 5:27 UTC (Tue) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

There are the community distros—Debian, Gentoo, Arch, Alpine (which Drew DeVault recently praised because it "does not make the news")... I will consider one of those for my next machine.

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 8, 2023 5:31 UTC (Tue) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link]

(yes, I am a SUSE employee, and no, I certainly don’t speak in the name of anybody else than my wife, cat, and children)

As far as I know we are just doing the same: preparing new distro(-s), continuing working on our rolling distro, just going on, looking slightly bewildered what the world around us is doing.

(and concerning Red Hat: no, I don’t like their decisions about CentOS, but I really do not think that it is an evilness on the same level as what Canonical did here).

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 8, 2023 12:47 UTC (Tue) by ringerc (subscriber, #3071) [Link]

People are also blaming RH and IBM for it without recognising the huge role that Oracle plays as a parasite on open source supporting companies.

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 8, 2023 13:09 UTC (Tue) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link]

Wow, very presumptuous that you think you can speak on behalf of... you cat. :)

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 7, 2023 16:40 UTC (Mon) by Conan_Kudo (subscriber, #103240) [Link]

Will the LinuxContainers.org site stop using the Canonical-owned visual styling? For the uninformed, it makes it look like Canonical is the sponsor and supporter of the project.

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 7, 2023 17:34 UTC (Mon) by highvoltage (subscriber, #57465) [Link]

There was a similar question to this on the linuxcontainers irc channel today, and they did state that they'll move to a more default bootstrap theme later on.

Introducing Incus

Posted Aug 7, 2023 18:13 UTC (Mon) by stgraber (subscriber, #57367) [Link]

Indeed we used to be using a pretty trivial Bootstrap setup (I'm not a web dev ;)) but then a few years ago, the Canonical Web team contributed some PRs to move things over to Vanilla (Canonical's web framework).

So that's why despite not being branded as something belonging to Canonical or Ubuntu, it still has that feel.

I'd be very happy to see a PR that changes things back to regular Bootstrap though, and I've had some interactions on Mattermost with someone who's planning on contributing exactly that, so hopefully soon!


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