Coinbase Wins at Supreme Court as Ruling Reinforces Arbitration - Slashdot

Coinbase Wins at Supreme Court as Ruling Reinforces Arbitration

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  Good luck voting for a Democrat that's not ultimately pro-corporate. Bernie sometimes doesn't support pro-corporate policies. And. . . uh, yeah, nobody else.

  Primary logic: Not pro-corporate policies? Unelectable. Next.

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    I know it's really hard to make people from the USA believe it, but there are more parties to choose from than just the two identical bought-and-paid-for ones. Yes, even in the USA. There is even a word for having a fair number of parties to choose from: it's called democracy.

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      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Not in America, man. No way, no how. A vote for anything other than the lesser evil of Democrat vs. Republican is automatically considered a vote for the one you hate the most. We've got that drilled into us from the time we start approaching voting age. It's become a near religious level dogma at this point. And, sadly, when you go to the polls and your choice is between somebody like Trump, or somebody like Biden, or throwing away your vote altogether and risking a Trump repeat? You actual

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        You think Biden is a better vote than Hillary?

        For all her flaws, at least Hillary is conscious.

    • We're winner take all, 1st past the post

      so no, there are not more than 2 parties. Winner take all voting leads to 2 party systems. There are, however, a handful of fake parties funded by the major ones that exist as spoilers. The Dems boost the libertarian party, the GOP has 3 or 4 parties they boost these days because after Jill Stien everyone knows Green is phony.
      
      My Favorite is Cornel West, who's going around pretending to run while also praising DeSantis.

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      Not in the state of Ohio. If a candidate is not a member of "Team Blue" or "Team Red," they're not on the ballot.

      Democracy died decades ago.

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      The parties aren't identical, and never have been. They may look identical when seen from afar. In the past, one party was distinctly pro-worker and pro-union, while the other was pro-corporate. Today both are more pro-corporate but there are vastly bigger distinctions between them in other areas - one is becoming exceedingy anti-truth for example. If both parties were identical then we would not be trudging down the road towards civil war II.

      Two have more than two effective parties you'd need a change in

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    Not sure that litmus test is worse than any on the Right...

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      Our choice now is between unhinged lunatic freak-shows (Republicans) and polite, well spoken, pro-corporate assholes that sometimes say the right things, then do the opposite (Democrats). Though, to be fair, there are a few unhinged lunatics managing to weasel their way in there too.

      What a time to be alive!

      • You could just vote in the Dem primary

        there's been a pro-consumer candidate every time. They're generally progressives though. So if that's a problem for you you're stuck. You're not going to find a pro-consumer candidate on the right wing.

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          I don't want pro consumer. I want pro worker.

  • I've voted in for 20 years. They lose. Every time.
    
    Very few people show up to primary elections. If every person who bitched online about pro-corporate dems showed up for the Primary and googled the candidate's policy before hand we'd been half way through President Sander's second term with 52 pro-consumer Senators and however many in the house (I lost track)

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      Correction, I wrote 20 years. I've only been voting in Primaries for a bit over 10. It took me a while to realize how important the primary election was. I was only voting in the General up until then.

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  The Court didn't decide that arbitration was required:

  (There are allegations of fraud, which may be why the Federal Arbitration Act hasn't answered that question.)

  The dissent points out why a majority-Republican court might take the position it did:

  To his credit, Thomas followed his idiosyncratic jurisprudence and joined parts of the dissent (though not what I quoted). Fed Soc will probably make him sit by the bathroom on his next private flight.

• Re: Much as I hate this partisan Supreme Court

  You think the GOP is pro corporate? Where have you been for the last 10 years? Theyve been completely consumed by the culture wars. Red states are competing over how anti corporate they can be. Descant is has picked a serious fights with the loathed employer in Florida, and nearly half our states have passed laws so hostile to women that theyre bleeding out young people at a ferocious rate.

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  You are running under the assumption that all laws passed by Congress are legitimate, which is exactly what the Supreme Court is expected to judge. In this case, the Court seems to feel that the public court system can be exchanged for private "justice" systems. This would not be correct or in anyone's best interest. Well, it's in the best interest of companies that would not fare well in court but, can expect to bend an "arbitration" system.

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    By definition any law passed by Congress is legitimate.
    The USSC determines if the law passed is constitutional.

    As far as arbitration vs court goes, the little guy doesn't stand a chance in court because he can't afford a legal team to fight a big corporation for years.

    In many cases the only option is arbitration (not great) vs court (can't afford it at all).

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  Arbitration is basically a way for companies to win. Because whoever has the most money wins in arbitration, it avoids the messy complications that a company might actually lose to a customer because a judge or jury was able to hear the facts and make an independent decision. Imagine if tobacco companies had required arbitration to be used by any of their customers several decades back.

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    Imagine if a little guy, in this case with a $31k claim, had to start off by paying his lawyer a $10k retained just to get started. Then he has to pay all court fees, the lawyer's office expenses, and anything else that comes up.

    By the time he's in court his expenses are already $30k on a $31k claim.

    I'd rather have arbitration, thanks. I don't see how you think court is the cheaper way to go where money isn't the winner.

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      Except I was at a company that had been known to sue or counter sue ex employees. So they came up with an arbitration agreement for everyone. One clause essentially said if either party disagrees with the settlement, they can have another arbitration process started with expenses paid by the disputing party. Which means, if I was in arbitration and lost, I would have to fork over the money to try arbitration again, and again, and again, until I was out of money. It guaranteed that whoever had the most mo

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  This is another one of those "change how you vote" cases, where the law is what the law is, and if we don't like it we need to stop voting for pro-corporate goons.

  The IQ at which true abstract/critical thinking occurs is around 110. The average American IQ is 98. A full SD below 110. The voters who care about such issues are dramatically outnumbered by those who do not.

  Democracy is idiot rule. Okay, that is extreme, it is Average Rule. That does, however, preclude most notions of voting on the issues.