Introduce TextYankPost by LemonBoy · Pull Request #2333 · vim/vim · GitHub
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Introduce TextYankPost #2333
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LemonBoy commented on Nov 13, 2017
A small excerpt from the "Chronicles of a todo.txt":
Patch to add TextDeletePost and TextYankPost events. (Philippe Vaucher, 2011
May 24) Update May 26.
The patch mentioned above is this one that I've only slightly edited.
The obvious problem with this approach is the inevitable TOCTOU (Time Of Check Time Of Use) one, the content of the registers may have been changed by an external entity by the time the autocmd is executed (think of the +
and *
registers).
Neovim works around this problem by explicitly passing the register contents in another variable (that's part of the v:event
directory).
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bfredl commented on Nov 14, 2017
So why not pass the register contents (including regtype) as a variable? |
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chrisbra commented on Nov 14, 2017
I have a question. What would that be used for? Is that for a yankring like plugin? Would we for consistency also need a TextYankPre autocommand? |
In neovim this has successfully been used to implement simple yet accurate yankring plugin. But it relies on the autocmd receiving an atomic copy in a variable (as the autocmd is only fired if it is actually defined, this is still "don't pay for what you don't use"). I don't think TextYankPre would help much, the "symmetrical" event would rater be
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LemonBoy commented on Nov 14, 2017
Because the old patch this is based on didn't :) If we want to pass around the content and regtype I'd say that's worth going the extra mile and introducing the
On the other hand, ignoring the TOCTOU problem, the use of
What for? I can't think of any way that could be useful. Anyway that can be added at a later time if somebody finds a use for that. |
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bfredl commented on Nov 14, 2017
The |
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chrisbra commented on Nov 14, 2017
it could be used for e.g. implementing the 'unnamed' and 'unnamedplus' value of the 'clipboard' option. But we have that already, so it is probably not needed I guess. |
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LemonBoy commented on Nov 14, 2017
Sorry about that, I completely missed the call to
That's an interesting use case, integrating |
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brammool commented on Nov 14, 2017
Please add your full name to your github account. |
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chrisbra commented on Nov 14, 2017
Lemonboy already has contributed quite a lot of patches (check |
That safeness won't be 100% assured until the TOCTOU problem is resolved. Of course, actually it depends on kinds of operations done via TextYankPost. Some may be safe and the others may not. So, we need to talk about the safeness more specifically: What use case or scenario you think TextYankPost makes effortless? Probably, that is what people is likely to do using the new autocmd event and hence would give us a better idea as to what someone should do for this PR to be merged into master. Since there's no guarantee that the system clipboard keeps the same state as that of the time when Vim asked it to send data to be yanked, some operations have the risk of causing an X11 protocol error which forcefully terminates Vim unless an ad-hoc error handler is installed before such risky operations are executed. If the TOCTOU problem is not addressed and put off this time, I guess we need to consider such a measure to prevent Vim from being unexpectedly terminated due to a protocol error, which appears to users as if Vim crashed and is likely to be reported as such. Or a caveat should be added to the document, saying "Avoid/Don't do such risky things." |
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LemonBoy commented on Nov 15, 2017
Safety and compatibility with NeoVim is achieved with the last commit, I did a faithful port of @bfredl patch for NeoVim and added a handful of tests. |
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brammool commented on Nov 15, 2017
I am taking a risk including patches from anonymous authors, I should stop doing that. |
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LemonBoy commented on Nov 16, 2017
Here we go again, I've updated the documentation and briefly tested this with
This is @bfredl code, I've just massaged it to fit into the vim infrastructure and I waive any kind of right on this code if this helps you sleep at night. I don't really care about the bureaucratic aspects of text editors, I just want to use and hack with/on them.
A "real name" is as real as you want it to be: I can sign my patches with a completely bogus name and you'd be fine with that, but that'd be dishonest and I'm not going to do that for as much as I want to get this merged. If we can't find a compromise I'll be forced to close this PR and push that |
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brammool commented on Nov 16, 2017
LemonBoy wrote:
Here we go again, I've updated the documentation and briefly tested this with `vim-highlightedyank` and `nvim-miniyankring` plugins. > I am taking a risk including patches from anonymous authors This is @bfredl code, I've just massaged it to fit into the vim infrastructure and I waive any kind of right on this code if this helps you sleep at night. I don't really care about the bureaucratic aspects of text editors, I just want to use and hack with/on them. > But having at least the real name of the author gives some safety. > And it's good knowing people by name anyway. A "real name" is as real as you want it to be: I can sign my patches with a completely bogus name and you'd be fine with that, but that'd be dishonest and I'm not going to do that for as much as I want to get this merged. A nickname cannot be related to a person. A real name can (even when it can be difficult at times). If someone decides to use a false name, then that is on him. If there is no name then it's on me. This is a compromise between requiring authors sign a piece of paper with proof of identity and the risk I'm taking including patches from strangers. If we can't find a compromise I'll be forced to close this PR and push
that `todo.txt` back into the oblivion.
Why not just give me your name? If you don't want to put it on your github account, you can email me. If someone refuses to reveal his real name I have no choice than to assume bad intent and will have to drop the pull request. A honest person would not have a problem with revealing his name. |
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LemonBoy commented on Nov 16, 2017
I still don't know what risks are you talking about, it's just code, not even original code but a mere port of another patch.
If privacy is now a "bad intent" then I'll be the one who drops the PR. |
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bfredl commented on Nov 16, 2017
@brammool If you are interested in this feature I could do a "clean room re-port" of my neovim patch. The only non-trivial part should be the tests, but I can try translate the neovim tests into new-style vim tests as close as is reasonable. But please let me know, as I'm quite busy at the moment, so I will only do work if there is a change of it being used. |
Not sure why there is a need to assume bad intent due to lack of a proper name. |
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brammool commented on Nov 16, 2017
Björn Linse wrote:
@brammool If you are interested in this feature I could do a "clean
room re-port" of my neovim patch. The only non-trivial part should be
the tests, but I can try translate the neovim tests into new-style vim
tests as close as is reasonable. But please let me know, as I'm quite
busy at the moment, so I will only do work if there is a change of it
being used.
I suppose the functionality can be useful, although I haven't seen much
request for it. I read that it might be useful for the yankring plugin.
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brammool commented on Nov 16, 2017
LemonBoy wrote:
> This is a compromise between requiring authors sign a piece of paper > with proof of identity and the risk I'm taking including patches from > strangers. I still don't know what risks are you talking about, it's just code, not even original code but a mere port of another patch. Please read up on copyright and patents. Everybody writing open source software, and especially when using other people's code, should have a basic knowledge of this. I know this legal stuff is hassle, annoying and boring, but if you ignore it you can get into trouble. This is a realistic scenario: - Someone sends me a patch or pull request for some nice new functionality. I can only see some nickname. - I decide to include the code, everybody happy so far. Code spreads out to the world. - Two years later company XYZ sues me for violating their copyright and wants $$$ for damages from me. Turns out the code was copied illegaly by the person making the patch. Trying to find the person who sent the patch turns out his email no longer works and his github account was deleted. Since I can't point to him, I get to pay the $$$. It's even worse when a patent is involved. When I can claim "I only included what Mr. Foo Bar sent me, look here is the patch that was made public by him" then I hopefully go free. At least when that person can be located. Not sure what the legal implications are, but if I point at a non-existing account and don't even know the name of the sender then I'm likely going to be blamed for including code from an unknown source without checking credentials. |
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LemonBoy commented on Nov 17, 2017
Please read the previous mails, you never mentioned what the "risks" were about and, by your tone, it sounded like you were accusing me of being up to no good (?) just because I sent a patch, that's what made me (and, judging by the reactions, a lot of people) say out loud "WTF". Legal stuff is a PITA, I know and share the sentiment :)
I'd put the word realistic between quotes, here there's no copyright, no company, and no illegally copied code. Dura lex, sed lex, but you can't just blindly apply the law without taking into account the case at hand. Some closing words for the whole deal: you have a new mail! |
a comment on
https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Copyright-Papers To require a contributor to publicly publish his/her name against their will goes against the word of the FSF, who maintain many high profile GPL-covered projects. However, as pointed out, by you and the FSF, the legal woes of being a high profile Free Software maintainer are many. You can and should protect yourself by requiring a certain level of disclosure from any potential contributor but I don't think requiring public disclosure of personal information is the correct way, and I'm glad it appears that you have reached this decision already among yourselves. |
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brammool commented on Nov 18, 2017
Kurt Kartaltepe wrote:
a comment on > A honest person would not have a problem with revealing his name. https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Copyright-Papers The FSF explicitly mentions the use of pseudonyms (see the final paragraph) in their recommended information to GNU Software maintainers covering this very topic. To require a contributor to publicly publish his/her name against their will goes against the word of the FSF, who maintain many high profile GPL-covered projects. However, as pointed out, by you and the FSF, the legal woes of being a high profile Free Software maintainer are many. You can and should protect yourself by requiring a certain level of disclosure from any potential contributor but I don't think requiring public disclosure of personal information is the correct way, and I'm glad it appears that you have reached this decision already among yourselves. There is an important difference between requiring publishing the name and asking for it. Using nicknames has two main sources: online gaming and hacking forums. For online gaming it's cool to use a nickname. In hacking forums, where software (again mainly games) is cracked and illigally copied, it's mandatory to hide the person behind it. Now, if someone uses a nickname is he from the world of cool gamers, or the hackers with bad intent? If someone reveals his real name then that clears it up. If not, then possibly someone just wants to be cool. Or there might be bad intent. Obviously, when somene sends a patch I need to know. |
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